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I used a Real Track piano track and did not like a few notes that were played. I put the track in Melodyne Editor and made the changes I wanted. Works well but not super easy to do.
How do you guys deal with such issues? Not looking for detail answers, just general direction to see if something exist I am not aware of.
I find this issue all the time no matter how a piano part was created. For example even if I play the piano part and am happy with the results as soon as the vocalist starts working I always find something in the piano part that was in the way of the vocal line. Of course then I have the option to re play the piano part or fix it in Melodyne or god forbid ask the vocalist to re do the vocal...lol
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The easiest way would be to use Realband. You can re-generate notes for a single measure up to the whole song. Hi-lite the bars/measures you want replaced and keep re-generating until you find something you like.
You can even try using different chords for that bar/measure. Try using hashed chords as well, like am/c for a c chord and see what the RealTrack comes up with.
I say using RB is better because you have exact control of whatever part/instrument you are attempting to re-generate. Instead of re-generating the whole song, you simply select the from/to in RB and regenerate until you have found something you like.
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Trax is right on with this workflow using RB. This is a feature which has been requested in BIAB for a long time. Don't expect to see it come. So RB is the workaround.
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Thanks guys for the heads up.
I sort of assume this is the kind of thing Matt was alluding too about the advantages of using RB as a DAW.
I am using Sonar Platinum as my main DAW and one of the next steps in my introduction to BIAB is to dig in to RB.
In general I know exactly how I want to change something so it will be instructive to see the value of trying things in RB and not knowing just what it will produce.
Onward with the hunt...lol
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Billy, As Trax and Dan have indicated, many of us here use Realband as a stepping stone to the final mix being prepared in a DAW. My sequence for song construction is... 1. Write the arrangement, words and music in BIAB. 2. Select the Realtracks for the song's foundation in BIAB. 3. Open the BIAB SGU/MGU file in Realband and generate the song. 4. Save the song as an SEQ file. 5. Listen through each track individually. Where there are sections of a track that don't appeal, regenerate those sections until I achieve something I like. 6. Use "Multiriff" to generate multiple (up to 7), different versions of the song's main Realtracks (especially any solo and background fill tracks). - Multiriff generates completely different versions of the same Realtrack. For example: in your mix if you want two different versions of the same strumming guitar so that you can pan one version full left and the other full right, then using Multiriff to generate the two tracks will give you two independent tracks that will work.
7. Move to the DAW (I use Reaper). Here, I listen through the multiple generations of tracks and select those sections of the different tracks that I like. I then compile those sections into a comp'd track. Also, if I find any riffs or breaks that have potential to be used as hooks, I use copy and paste to add those to the appropriate sections of the arrangement. 8. When all my tracks flow in the way that I want, I polish up the mix. Hope these thoughts give you some ideas. Noel
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Thanks Noel,
This is the best forum I have ever been on.
It would have taken me a considerable amount of digging to get the over view you just posted.
People take the time to respond with really useful information in a kind and considerate way. What a great post you made! Thanks ever so much.
Your post is getting printed out and stuck on the wall.
I have CRS....I will be politically correct by saying that means "Can't remember stuff"..lol Also so I can remember how to answer that question when I am ask some time in the future.
I actually got BIAB because it looked like a quick way to make backing tracks for students. I turned it on and less than five minutes I had usable track on soundcloud. I was really impressed.
Within a hour or so a thousand watt light went off in my head...WOW...this thing can do stuff, real stuff.
Now if I could just get it to make me a cup of coffee....
Because you are from down under you will most likely understand the next bit.
Cheers M8
Billy
PS...Was it really so much extra work to write out "Mate"? Internet slang drives me nuts sometimes..lol
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I guess you understand Billy that Real Tracks are pre-recorded music 'phrases' recorded in a studio by musicians and saved as an audio file format (not MIDI), so changing single notes is not straightforward (Melodyne as you mentioned is one solution).
The team here have recommended Real Band which allows you to regenerate any selected section of a track until you (hopefully) get a musical phrase that fits better. BiaB can only regenerate an entire track.
Of course, you'll only be able to regenerate and receive results from what has been pre-recorded, there's no infinite possibilities.
Hope this helps
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Thanks Trev,
Yes, I was aware of the pro session musician recordings.
I also assumed there were limits for the regeneration function.
I think I now have a very clear idea how all this works from a high level. Thanks you so much.
Now...the devil is in the details as we say, but if first impressions hold true for the BIAB software the answers will come without too much stress.
Cheers,
Billy
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If you are specifically referring to the piano RT's then there is an associated MIDI file of the track, which since the piano, I believe, is recorded using a MIDI controller this is pretty accurate. If a conflict occurs, as it often does in my songs  I use the MIDI file and a good piano VSTi, in my case a soundfont of say a Steinway, and adjust the notes to fit in the MIDI editor in my DAW. I use Cubase SX but I am sure your DAW has similar. I then discard the RT and render the MIDI/VSTi. This may help Alyn
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If you are specifically referring to the piano RT's then there is an associated MIDI file of the track, which since the piano, I believe, is recorded using a MIDI controller this is pretty accurate. If a conflict occurs, as it often does in my songs I use the MIDI file and a good piano VSTi, in my case a soundfont of say a Steinway, and adjust the notes to fit in the MIDI editor in my DAW. I use Cubase SX but I am sure your DAW has similar. I then discard the RT and render the MIDI/VSTi. This may help Alyn That's VERY clever Alyn! While I've known about the midi notation behind many RTs for a long time, I've never once thought of applying it this way! Now that you've come along and talked about it, I can't believe I my brain didn't latch onto this earlier. Thank you heaps for the insight. Very much appreciated. All the best, Noel
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. Here is an example of a song where I cut-and-pasted the Realtracks riffs, as described by Noel96, to good effect. Finding a fiddle track with notes that matched my melody was a matter of experimentation and luck. Then I copied the riff I liked to various spots in the song. Sometimes I put riffs from the same Realtrack on two different tracks in Realband. If two pasted tracks came close together, so that overlapping gave an audible glitch, pasting to two different tracks sometime un-glitched it. The background string parts were entered as MIDI. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg6gF9siJeg&index=12&list=PLA4F3474E15D59D98
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As far as inversions go, try writing slash chords:
G | G/A | G/B | C ...
Then try some bass and piano Realtracks. The Realtracks usually follow the slash chords very nicely.
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Thanks guys,
This is giving me a bunch of ideas, and a lot of other questions on "how you do dat"...lol
The fiddle line was just great flatfoot.
This brings up a question about Real Tracks drum lines.
Are all the real track drums analog or is there any midi info also.
The basic issue for me with real track drums is that I have no control over each kit piece...what I hear is what I get...well at least I don't know how to change things to my liking.
In fact drums in any setting, DAW, live in the studio, or live on stage has always been the most difficult thing to deal with. I have only rarely got just what I wanted to hear. Man...drums and bass....if you don't got a bottom, you don't got a band....
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Thanks guys for the heads up.
I sort of assume this is the kind of thing Matt was alluding too about the advantages of using RB as a DAW.
I am using Sonar Platinum as my main DAW and one of the next steps in my introduction to BIAB is to dig in to RB.
In general I know exactly how I want to change something so it will be instructive to see the value of trying things in RB and not knowing just what it will produce.
Onward with the hunt...lol
Thanks again,
Billy
You can still use Sonar for your final mixdown. Use RB for the "creation" process, most of us do it this way. RB is a great software as well. Like everything else, you have to learn the ins and outs of it, but it will also produce high quality music.
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"...This brings up a question about Real Tracks drum lines...Are all the real track drums analog or is there any midi info also...""
Notice that for many of the Realtracks. a thin blue line appears just under the instrument name in the close-to-the-top row. The blue line indicates that notation is available. You can see the notes in the notation window for that instrument and the notes correspond to MIDI events.
But the notes are created AFTER the RealTrack is recorded. A human being listens to each Realtrack and writes in the notation by hand.
I have never seen these notes on any of the RealDrums parts. So no, there is no corresponding MIDI for the Realdrums parts - just audio.
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I have had some success using loops to enhance the RealDrums. Try adding a conga loop or a guiro loop or something. Add them on tracks other than the 'drums' track.
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