This morning I was fiddling around with som real piano tracks and was thinking, let me erase the real track but not the midi chart, and save the song as a user style in the style maker menu. Mixed result for whatever reason. Piano only worked and I made a few. But when I tried to include a bass track, only the piano track was made in that style. And then stuff started to hung up.. Kind of whatever I loaded, only the last piano track was remaining. And it suddenly became impossible to erase the real track also, to have only the midi chart left. Even I followed the same procedure, the saved style became a real track style...
The reason I want midi piano style and not real track piano style is for having the exact same piano sound in the left hand playing as the right hand melody/solo...
Here is the exact procedure I used; 1. Loaded and generated a real piano track. 2. Went to the piano track and right clicked and selected track action and erase track. 3. Clicked yes to erase real track and no to erase midi data. 4. Went to the style maker menu in the file menu, and selected the "Save current song /except the muted ones/ as a style" And Bang, a new midi piano style was created and worked, until I tried to include a real bass track also....
Anyone have any idea?
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What exactly was the name of the Style and RealTrack(s) that you used?
Some RealTracks have transcribed notation that appears as MIDI, but the MIDI is actually (in many cases) a manually transcribed copy of the RealTrack. Other RealTracks don't have any associated MIDI.
The idea of transcribing was (I think) to provide notation.
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What exactly was the name of the Style and RealTrack(s) that you used?
Some RealTracks have transcribed notation that appears as MIDI, but the MIDI is actually (in many cases) a manually transcribed copy of the RealTrack. Other RealTracks don't have any associated MIDI.
The idea of transcribing was (I think) to provide notation.
Well, when I am "fiddling around" with stuff, I am not so "methodically" as I probably should be. So cannot remember exactly what I was doing. But the RT acoustic piano had this green line under it, so I guess that should be the same for all? But I did observe that the transcription was not really the same as the real track. And I guess I cannot expect that, since it is not played on a midi keyboard, like the midi supertracks.... Or is it? Like the El. piano? That is a midi compatible piano, right? So I would expect that to be direct recording of the midi as well as the audio.... Same goes for the synth piano tracks, right?
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Quite often i found that the MIDI included with Realtracks when included are not really whats been played, and a waste of time using them. ... ?? F
I guess it depends upon what I said before. Is it recorded on a midi piano? Or is it just audio being transcribed by hand from an audio, by ear? I see many of the piano tracks are on a el.piano or a synth, do I guess they record the midi at same time?
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Since you are using the Windows version of BIAB, you can use the multi riff feature in RealBand to generate a duplicate midi track of another track. Select and area or entire track, select multiriff and from the multiriff window that appears, select one of the seven options, generate the multiriff and when it creates the new multiriff, it generates a midi track in a lower track. Assign a midi patch to play.
Since you are using the Windows version of BIAB, you can use the multi riff feature in RealBand to generate a duplicate midi track of another track. Select and area or entire track, select multiriff and from the multiriff window that appears, select one of the seven options, generate the multiriff and when it creates the new multiriff, it generates a midi track in a lower track. Assign a midi patch to play.
Originally Posted By: Charlie Fogle
Since you are using the Windows version of BIAB, you can use the multi riff feature in RealBand to generate a duplicate midi track of another track. Select and area or entire track, select multiriff and from the multiriff window that appears, select one of the seven options, generate the multiriff and when it creates the new multiriff, it generates a midi track in a lower track. Assign a midi patch to play.
Thank's for trying to help me out Charlie ! I tried ur advice, but the only that shows up in BB is the style, not the riff I generated... And RB freezes every time I save a BB file there.... I guess I have to try some other ways...
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I see you are pushing the boundaries of BIAB once again! You are certainly an ideas man! I don't like being the bearer of bad news but what you are trying to do with the MIDI notation is beyond what BIAB is able to do.
MIDI styles in BIAB are treated completely differently than Realtrack styles are. MIDI styles need to use Stylemaker which is based on 2-bar patterns. It's quite a bit more complicated that simply loading a Realtrack. If you want to find out how Stylemaker works, go to the link below, find the 37:53 minute video called called "Band-in-a-Box® StyleMaker" and have a look at how it's done. (It's in the 'Advanced' section.)
The above being said, BIAB MIDI Supertracks do use recorded MIDI files that behave exactly as Realtracks. How to create MIDI Supertracks, though, is propriety knowledge and something that only PG Music know how to do. I suspect that there are many music companies around that would LOVE to know how PG Music do it, too, so that they could take financial advantage of the knowledge!
In the meantime, if you are interested in Piano MIDI tracks, have a look at the Supertracks. Many of these are based on the notation that accompanies the Piano Realtracks. Simply look through the Supertrack list for names that are similar to the Realtrack names.
Also, I know you run BIAB in Administrator Mode but have you done the same to the Realband shortcut? Have you right-clicked on it, selected 'Properties' and then set "Run as administrator" under the 'Compatibility' tab? This could well be why Realband is locking up on you.
I see you are pushing the boundaries of BIAB once again! You are certainly an ideas man! I don't like being the bearer of bad news but what you are trying to do with the MIDI notation is beyond what BIAB is able to do.
MIDI styles in BIAB are treated completely differently than Realtrack styles are. MIDI styles need to use Stylemaker which is based on 2-bar patterns. It's quite a bit more complicated that simply loading a Realtrack. If you want to find out how Stylemaker works, go to the link below, find the 37:53 minute video called called "Band-in-a-Box® StyleMaker" and have a look at how it's done. (It's in the 'Advanced' section.)
The above being said, BIAB MIDI Supertracks do use recorded MIDI files that behave exactly as Realtracks. How to create MIDI Supertracks, though, is propriety knowledge and something that only PG Music know how to do. I suspect that there are many music companies around that would LOVE to know how PG Music do it, too, so that they could take financial advantage of the knowledge!
In the meantime, if you are interested in Piano MIDI tracks, have a look at the Supertracks. Many of these are based on the notation that accompanies the Piano Realtracks. Simply look through the Supertrack list for names that are similar to the Realtrack names.
Also, I know you run BIAB in Administrator Mode but have you done the same to the Realband shortcut? Have you right-clicked on it, selected 'Properties' and then set "Run as administrator" under the 'Compatibility' tab? This could well be why Realband is locking up on you.
Regards, Noel
Originally Posted By: Noel96
Trygve,
I see you are pushing the boundaries of BIAB once again. What you are trying to do with the MIDI notation is beyond what BIAB is able to do.
MIDI styles in BIAB a treated completely differently than Realtracks are. MIDI styles need to use Stylemaker which is based on 2-bar patterns. If you want to find out how that works, go to the link below, find the 37:53 minute video called called "Band-in-a-Box® StyleMaker" and have a look at how it's done. (It's in the 'Advanced' section.)
The above being said, BIAB MIDI Supertracks do use recorded MIDI files that behave exactly as Realtracks. How to create MIDI Supertracks is propriety knowledge and something that only PG Music know how to do. I suspect that there are many MIDI companies around that would LOVE to know how PG Music do it!
In the meantime, if you are interested in Piano MIDI tracks, have a look at the Supertracks. Many of these are based on the notation that accompanies the Piano Realtracks. Simply look through the Supertrack names for names that are similar to the Realtracks.
Also, I know you run BIAB in Administrator Mode but have you done the same to the Realband shortcut? Have you right-clicked on it, selected 'Properties' and then set "Run as administrator" under the 'Compatibility' tab? This could well be why Realband is locking up on you.
Regards, Noel
Thank's again Noel, u always helpful man ! Yeah, I know I always push boundaries... That is just the way I am... The thing is that in many of my songs I have been using the RT midi charts midi exported files as an addition over a the RT itself, with a moog or with Vocaloid. Embellishing it slightly, make it sound like really another player plays in unison with the real track, just slighly different as real players will do. That's why I was testing it out for further useful options. But I start to realize the limitation for it...
I tried the Supermidi piano and bass tracks, but in pure piano song, I could hear so clearly it was not really synchronized with the melody/solo created by BB. No idea why. Might have overlooked something.
When it comes to RB crashing, it might have something to do with my screen resolution setting, that some message box that I am supposed to click OK on or something, is out of the screen, when I save the song as BB song, like it is with the Midi plugin box when I minimize it. It just disappear out of the screen.. But my screen resolution setting is as recommended, so it should not be like that....If I sett the text size smaller, I can hardly read anything on the screen, because I am sitting 3 meter from it. (My flat-screen TV)
I will watch ur recommended Video and see if it makes any wiser.... Also the "run as administrator" I will try.
Thank's again Noel !
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Hey Kojak, I am Norwegian, but live in the Philippines for the last 17 years...
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I mean, with that name it couldn't be anything else, could it?
In my case, I lived in Denmark for eleven years, so I got to learn some things about names from people of the North, and I think yours means something like "bearer of Truth" in ancient Norsk.
Aye Lt, though those Vikings and their Kingdom are alas to be found elsewhere these days, since they got kicked out of the UK ... oops, no politics ....
I mean, with that name it couldn't be anything else, could it?
In my case, I lived in Denmark for eleven years, so I got to learn some things about names from people of the North, and I think yours means something like "bearer of Truth" in ancient Norsk.
Ka 'du har det, gammel gutt!
Yours very truly,
Haha, jeg har det bare bra takk...;), At least I am bearer of truth in many thing's. Denmark have always been a bit more liberated then Norway.. When we was young we went to Denmark to watch some pornographic movies...;) Hard for English speaking people to pronounce Trygve correctly, so I use only my nick Leo here....
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Yep, gotta roll the "R" and the Norwegian "Y" you almost have to swallow when you say it. And of course, you have to say it in a sing-song manner.
LOL, Leo!
Haha, In some places rolling the "R", in Bergen, my city of birth, it more down in the throat.. The "y" is often the problem. It is pronounced more like in the word "City"... Not like in "Cyber"... The sing song matter is mostly from the north of Norway.. Funny, when we meet Norwegians, speaking English, we can detect where from in Norway they are coming from...
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Actually, my family is from Oslo, and they speak very sing-song. Maybe it's in the nuance. Now my aunt's husband is from Haugesund, so there is a west coast influence there, but my mom speaks very sing-song (for a lack of a better word to describe it).
I have forgotten much of the language (a result of non-use), but I actually learned to speak Norwegian before learning to speak English. When I was very young, my military dad was stationed in Germany, but spent much of his time at the East German border; so my mom, sister, and I spent most of our time at my grandmother's house in Norway.
Up through high school, I was fairly fluent and could pass for Norwegian; I've just forgotten so many words now, but would do okay in restaurants and at attractions. And I can still mostly understand what I read.
We spent many a summer in Norway and we lived there for a year when my dad was in Viet Nam ('68-'69).
John
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I don't like being the bearer of bad news but what you are trying to do with the MIDI notation is beyond what BIAB is able to do.
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