Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
J
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
J
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
I ran across my 1st major bug in the 2022 release which definitely did not exist in 2021 and prior.

1. I open up a previously frozen song.
2. When I click the 'snowflake' Master Freeze button to the right of the MASTER in the mixer, BIAB states that the Audio track is empty and if I want to generate it first. I chose either NO or Cancel and it asks me one at a time the same question for Utility Tracks 1-16

Also, all of my previous SGU files that had all of the tracks frozen via the Master Freeze button, now every one of them has the Master Freeze button grayed out instead of being previously colored blue.

Each time I want to unfreeze a song, I have to click NO or CANCEL 17 times to get back to the main screen.

Also, if I load a unfrozen saved song and click the Master Freeze button, it tells me that audio & all 16 utility tracks are not generated and prompts me if I want to generate them first)

Returning everything to factory settings did not fix the problem.

Something has changed for the worse in the new release. Anyone else see this?

I used _JSTM_B.Sty (Modern Jazz Swing Quartet) as an example and loaded the demo song. Click on the Master Freeze button and see what you get.

UPDATE: Just released build 905 DID NOT resolve the problem.

Last edited by jcland; 12/02/21 08:46 AM.

BIAB2024
Windows 10 Pro
WA6NCB
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,377
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,377
Quote:
I used _JSTM_B.Sty (Modern Jazz Swing Quartet) as an example and loaded the demo song. Click on the Master Freeze button and see what you get.


I did exactly that. No problems. Tracks froze and played, then I unfroze and played again. No odd behavior? Can you upload the file which is causing this behavior so I can try that?

Last edited by MusicStudent; 12/02/21 08:49 AM.

Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
J
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
J
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
I tested it on about 25 song files both my own and with demo files provided by PGMUSIC.

Same results on every one of them.

The problem I see happening is that any unfrozen song file that has been generated, still asks me if I want to generate empty tracks, which I am not using, when I click on the Master Freeze button.

I can freeze individual tracks one at a time that are being used without a problem. I just cannot use the Master Freeze button to freeze all of them at once like I could with the 2021 version.

For example, I load a song that only has BASS, PIANO, DRUMS and GUITAR tracks being used, I then click the generate and play button. I then stop the song. I then click the Master Freeze button and BIAB pops up with a window stating "Strings is empty, do you want to generate it firs? When I click NO, it then prompts me with the same message for Audio and all Utility tracks 1 thru 16.

Factory Reset - No Change



Last edited by jcland; 12/02/21 09:08 AM.

BIAB2024
Windows 10 Pro
WA6NCB
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
J
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
J
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
Just tested the same songs on my Laptop running 2021 without a hitch as it had been in the past. On my desktop with 2022, nothing but problems using the Master Freeze button.

Also just reloaded my 2021 version on the desktop and it works just fine. Problem points to the new 2022 version.

Last edited by jcland; 12/02/21 09:20 AM.

BIAB2024
Windows 10 Pro
WA6NCB
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,377
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,377
Can't reproduce here. Can you reload the 2022? Or we will have to wait for others to jump on board.


Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,472
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,472
Dan, I reported this quite a while ago.
Allanah


Intel i7-14700KF, ASUS Prime Z790-P DDR5, LS720, RTX 4080 Renegade 32GB,Kingston KC3000 PCIe 4.0 2TB NVMe M.2 SSD, Win 11 Home, 3840x2160, Yamaha dgx-530
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,352
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,352
Confirmed here. It's this particular 'freeze' button that's the culprit:

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
2021-12-03_6-52-45.jpg (122.66 KB, 135 downloads)

BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,377
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,377
OK, I have not used that specific button. I use the one on the main page not in the mixer which appears to work fine. Lets see if we can get the fix escalated...

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
Capture.JPG (65.55 KB, 130 downloads)

Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,352
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,352
It's be re-reported to the developers. Hopefully will be fixed in a patch update soon.


BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,610
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,610
Thanks, VT. I just got back and saw this and wanted to report than I can reproduce the same issue.

I'm sure, PG Team will nip this one without a problem.


Cheers,
Mike

My Music * Asus ROG Strix G15CF 32 GB DDR4 4TB HDD + 1 TB SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 8GB Win 11 AKAI EIE PRO Sound Interface. BIAB/RB 2024 UltraPak Build - Latest
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
J
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
J
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
Still having a small problem with this issue even after the 908 Patch.

If I load a song with previously frozen tracks and click on the freeze button at the bottom left of the mixer, the used populated tracks change to the unfrozen indication, the blue goes away, however the blue still exists on those unused unpopulated tracks indicating they are frozen. They to not go to the normal unfrozen state.

Now if I do the same using the Freeze button on the Main Menu, all the tracks change from frozen to unfrozen including all the unused tracks. I am not left with any tracks indicating different states.

Moving along now with a different scenario:

Using the reverse, if I take a previously unfrozen song and click on the freeze button at the bottom left of the mixer, the used populated tracks change to a frozen indication and the unused unpopulated tracks do not change state. They still show unfrozen.

Now if I do the same using the Freeze button on the Main Menu, all the tracks change from unfrozen to a frozen condition including all the unused tracks. I am not left with any tracks indicating different states.

The two methods of freezing and unfreezing tracks are acting differently from each other.

The Main Menu method freezes and unfreezes ALL the tracks but when using the freeze button the mixer, it is selective on what it changes the state of.

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
freeze.jpg (188.16 KB, 92 downloads)

BIAB2024
Windows 10 Pro
WA6NCB
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
J
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
J
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
Using a quote from Matt Finley in another thread that he wanted answered here:

"Jcland, yes, I see the other thread. I also see a lot about frozen tracks not working. You said your are not frozen, but is that NOW or EVER? Don't answer that; let's pick up in your new thread."

Matt: The scenario in my initial post shows that using the Freeze button on the Main Menu acts different then using the Freeze button at the bottom left of the mixer. Please read it again and if anything I said is still not clear, let me know and I will try and clarify.

But to answer your question on the quote: The tracks I un-froze were initially frozen and save in the past.

Try this: Load the style _GUITBLZ.sty and load its associated demo. Initially nothing is frozen.
Now freeze then using the Freeze button at the bottom left of the mixer and what I see is the 4 tracks being used show frozen but the blank tracks do not change state.

Now quit BIAB and don't save and restart BIAB and go through the process again of loading the style and it's demo song but this time use the Freeze button on the main menu. I see it freezing everything including blank tracks.

Finally if I load a previously saved file that had ALL tracks frozen and try to unfreeze using the Freeze button at the bottom left of the mixer, the tracks that are being used get unfrozen but any blank tracks still have the frozen indication.

Any previously saved song had ALL tracks frozen and try to unfreeze using the Freeze button on the main menu, all of the tracks regardless of them be used or blank, all show being unfrozen.

The two methods act totally different and I can definitely tell you that was not the case using BIAB 2021 back at the end of November. I still have both versions on my SSD and just tested both 2021 and 2022.


BIAB2024
Windows 10 Pro
WA6NCB
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,856
Veteran
Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,856
Good, thanks. There is a known problem being addressed with frozen tracks so I hope you’ll forgive me for waiting to see what develops.


BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
J
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
J
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
Matt:

No problem waiting for the fix. Just wanted to be sure the developers are aware of the problem so they can start working on it

JCLAND


BIAB2024
Windows 10 Pro
WA6NCB
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
J
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
J
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
It looks like Patch 912 fixed the problem with freezing and unfreezing the tracks.

Marking as Resolved.


BIAB2024
Windows 10 Pro
WA6NCB
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!

Add updated printing options, enhanced tracks settings, smoother use of MGU and SGU (BB files) within PowerTracks, and more with the latest PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 update!

Learn more about this free update for PowerTracks Pro Audio & download it at www.pgmusic.com/support_windows_pt.htm#2024_5

The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!

The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!

Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.

This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245

The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option

Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!

Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!

For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.

Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.

Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!

Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.

Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.

Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!

Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!

With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!

Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!

If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.

A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."

"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."

"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."

Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!

The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!

There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.

If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.

We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!

Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.

Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed!

Forum Statistics
Forums66
Topics81,556
Posts734,393
Members38,490
Most Online2,537
Jan 19th, 2020
Newest Members
michel vermeulen, Mikanh132, ABE, Nancy Gochnauer, Frank G
38,489 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
MarioD 184
DC Ron 109
dcuny 98
Today's Birthdays
IAN WILLIAMS, larochep
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5