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Would someone verify this and/or help me with this problem. Every time I try to work with RB I end up so frustrated that I quit trying.
I took a MIDI 5/4 style, actually both of them, and tried to open them in RB or import them into RB. I set the RB's time signature and tempo to the BiaB style, note that I started the song in BiaB.
Every time RB sets the time signature back to 4/4. The measures and timing line up in 4/4 but not in 5/4.
So if someone would verify this or show me how to achieve it I would be very grateful.
Thanx
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While RealBand will let you work in 5/4, there actually are no real 5/4 BIAB styles (and the ones there are MIDI only, if I recall correctly). They are implemented in 4/4, but have the four beats subdivided into 5 equal time divisions, so when you play it back, it sounds like 5/4, but it's really just 4/4 with each note a little more ahead of the beat.
I suspect that is the problem with selecting even a 5/4 style.
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Yes. exactly as John said. When these styles were created BiaB could only do 2/4, 3/4, and 4/4 so to make a 5/4 style they tinkered with making the 4/4 tempo/time feel like 5/4 .. which to me was a complete disaster. If you take the tempo at 4/4, and establish that time span, they made 5/4 fit the same time. In other words, only the '1' is on the click. This may be why there are only a couple of them made. I can't 'see' 4/4 and hear 5/4 . So I don't try to use a BiaB 5/4 style in RB, it makes my head esplode. Instead experiment with the wealth of 3/4 and 4/4 styles .. Set RB to 5/4 and generate from the normal tracks. You'll need to experiment but you'll get better results. I urge you to take a few minutes and look at the link below. It should load the correct RT wav files and then you can see how they worked in RB. You should also be able to regenerate stuff in 7/4 using this file. This was a collaboration song and other users had no trouble regenerating, recording, and even changing chords for regeneration (then sending back to me) These RTs were designed for 4/4 but worked in 7/4 http://masteringmatters.com/stuff/CountMeOUT_200219_B.SEQ
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Rharv, (and others), thanx so much for the explanation. I'm the same way in that I want to see 5/4, 6/8, 7/4, etc, time signatures in their native format. Looking at 4 beats per measure and hearing 5 blows my mind also.
I'll have to do some experimenting with 4/4 styles in 5/4 time. Thanx for that tip.
PS - that 7/4 song is awesome!
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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As you can see in the SEQ file the bass, drums, keys, and rhythm guitar are all generated.
(basic song)
After that we just laid the frosting on (lead guitar, horns, etc ..)
then, because we could regenerate, we went back and changed some cords in certain sections and regenerated and kept moving on adding stuff.
Worked a treat in RB.
I don't think we could have done this in BiaB at the time.
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As you can see in the SEQ file the bass, drums, keys, and rhythm guitar are all generated.
(basic song)
After that we just laid the frosting on (lead guitar, horns, etc ..)
then, because we could regenerate, we went back and changed some cords in certain sections and regenerated and kept moving on adding stuff.
Worked a treat in RB.
I don't think we could have done this in BiaB at the time. rharv, I am excited. I set RB to 5/4 and tried a couple of 4/4 styles and all went well. This is a game changer for me! I'm still getting a ton of error messages in RB but I just click them off and all is well. Weird. Now I have to try to export these songs as mid files and load them into my DAW. I have a lot more experience with my DAW then RB.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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I was excited too when I discovered I could do this.
Then I just kept having fun.I have odd time ideas laying all over the place <grin>
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I was excited too when I discovered I could do this.
Then I just kept having fun.I have odd time ideas laying all over the place <grin>
I saved a 5/4 song from RB as a mid file, set my DAW to match the time signature and tempo, imported the mid file, and all went perfectly. This is a game changer for me. Thanx again!
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
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