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http://www.chordpickout.com/Does anyone have any experience with this app? Thanks, Ray
Asus Q500A i7 Win 10 64 bit 8GB ram 750 HD 15.5" touch screen, BIAB 2017, Casio PX 5s, Xw P1, Center Point Stereo SS V3 and EWI 4000s.
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No firsthand experience, but from the looks of their examples it works only for those who need the chords to nursery rhymes and folksongs and other simple harmonic structures. Look at the given example to the right of their front page.
Am - Dm - E7 - E ...
ahem. *grin*
And Ray, I think your ears are way beyond need for that level of simplicity. And those whose ears are not capable are hurting themselves by going for such a crutch, they'll likely NEVER be able to play by ear because they simply will never begin to exercise the ability. And that means their performance will suffer.
The ACW built into BB and RB likely does as good or better at the task.
--Mac
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Somehow everyone who can pick out chords by ear started with some tools. Whether it was sitting down with a chord book and plunking them out in various inversions/positions and listening, or having it shown to each of us, there was a starting point. (Joey DeFrancesco excepted, and the other savants like him)
This website shows almost no screenshots to know whether or not it becomes useful as an ear training tool or not.
There is the danger of any tool like this becoming a crutch, but there is also the flip side - that it can be useful as a training tool in many regards.
If a song is a jazz song with lots of cool extension chords, weird chord/bass combinations, and the program can only detect at most complicated minor 7 chords - the astute user will hear the difference. This was my experience in using the 'easy chord' books available for pop music during my limited learning time (it's still on-going). Upon trying some of the easy chord books against the actual songs (playing along with the record/cassette) and going "Man, that just seems empty." was when I started to really want to learn chord theory basics beyond simple chords. My teacher (I was in 8th or 9th grade at the time) caught on to this and started weaning me off of learning Moonlight Sonata by wrote memory, and having me identify the chords in Moonlight Sonata, and the Journey tunes I was really interested in learning. I thank her for that.
I don't see much difference between tools like this (though this one is so incredibly un-detailed on the website) and the 'easy' books that have been available at least all of my lifetime, that I think they can serve a useful purpose to enlighten one who's ears are open and tuned in that the likely simplified chord structures that would result, are many times not very representative of the actual song structure. That can serve a real purpose, in my opinion.
BTW, I'm signed up for the jazz improvisation course taught by Gary Burton at Berklee starting next week. I'm hoping I can learn some very rudimentary basics, as I've not really had this opportunity.
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Thanks for the reply. I needed to know whether it's worth it to recommend to some friends who are just learning. Later, Ray
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Somehow everyone who can pick out chords by ear started with some tools. Whether it was sitting down with a chord book and plunking them out in various inversions/positions and listening, or having it shown to each of us, there was a starting point. (Joey DeFrancesco excepted, and the other savants like him) Joey may not be a reader, but HE KNOWS THE SCALES. The chords derive from the Scales. For example, the base Major Triad is simply the 1, 3, and 5 of the Major Scale. etc. Joey had his father's home Hammond at hand for practicing, and practice he did, and likely still does. NOT a "savant" then. --Mac
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Somehow everyone who can pick out chords by ear started with some tools. Whether it was sitting down with a chord book and plunking them out in various inversions/positions and listening, or having it shown to each of us, there was a starting point. (Joey DeFrancesco excepted, and the other savants like him) Joey may not be a reader, but HE KNOWS THE SCALES. The chords derive from the Scales. For example, the base Major Triad is simply the 1, 3, and 5 of the Major Scale. etc. Joey had his father's home Hammond at hand for practicing, and practice he did, and likely still does. NOT a "savant" then. --Mac No doubt. Perhaps Savant was the wrong choice of words. For MOST people, wouldn't you agree, that we need some type of tie between even what it means for the SOUND of C to equal the written 'C', and the same for the SOUND of Cm to equal the written 'Cm', and from there to I, to i, to more complex formations of major and minor triads, etc. At least that's how it worked for me. I am guilty of generalizing my experience onto others, so perhaps my experience is not typical - I don't know. Here's what I do know: In my day, the chords that got the girls to sit down next to me on the piano bench were the add2 and sus4 chords that Journey was using in their swooning ballads of the 1980's. And then I would use those to compose a song dedicated to them right on the spot. Ooh lah lah! That's when chord theory became important to me! I have yet to learn more of the complex jazz chords and voicings. I'm hoping the Gary Burton class will help me a bit. Edit - I just looked to see some of the cheater chord charts done by guitar players - they nearly missed all of the add2 chords, got some of the sus4 chords, but what Jonathan Cain was doing in those days was use the mostly arppegiated forms of these two chords to great effect to pluck the female heart strings underneath Steve Perry's vocals and Neal Schon's tasteful licks. I don't know the drummer or bass players names (bass on a later album was none other than Randy Jackson from American Idol judge-ship fame). -Scott
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The autodidactic often finds their own method.
If the end result is the same, no harm nor foul.
But it is often the case that the self-taught can end up mired down in bad habits due to the unknown, or even just having to resort to leaving out that which is unknown to them.
My point being that this is what Music Teachers and Music Schools are for. They use known working methods that not only cover all the bases if the student sticks with it, the matter is handled much more efficiently, typically the desired end result can happen much faster for the student.
That is not an endorsement nor condemnation of either method. It is just my assessment of the situation.
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The autodidactic often finds their own method.
If the end result is the same, no harm nor foul.
But it is often the case that the self-taught can end up mired down in bad habits due to the unknown, or even just having to resort to leaving out that which is unknown to them.
My point being that this is what Music Teachers and Music Schools are for. They use known working methods that not only cover all the bases if the student sticks with it, the matter is handled much more efficiently, typically the desired end result can happen much faster for the student.
That is not an endorsement nor condemnation of either method. It is just my assessment of the situation.
--Mac I agree wholeheartedly. That is my experience.
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