|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 175
Apprentice
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 175 |
I would like to be able to play through my laptop (USB keyboard controlling a midi VST, BiaB or other audio backing, no vocal other than perhaps a welcome between tunes
I want the casual passerby to hear nothing unless they see my sign saying "Tune to Bluetooth XXX to listen." It seems 25-30 foot range is plenty, not AC powered. This way noboy that noes NOT want to hear does not. How do I boost my signal from the laptop and is there a limit to the number of listeners - don't see why there should be, but...)
Anyway, votes for Best Bluetooth Transmitter/Booster?
Thanks
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 8,095
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 8,095 |
Go for the Bluetooth transmitters designed to connect to TV's and have AC adaptor. Some have line of sight range of 300' and about half of that indoors. The transmitters that are designed for cars and plug into the power port for 12v have about a 30' range max. Amazon has one for around $50 Long Range Bluetooth Audio Transmitter
BIAB Ultra Pak+ 2024:RB 2024, Latest builds: Dell Optiplex 7040 Desktop; Windows-10-64 bit, Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz CPU and 16 GB Ram Memory.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,897
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,897 |
... and is there a limit to the number of listeners - don't see why there should be, but...) I don't know off-hand if there's a limit in the specification, but certainly many devices will only pair concurrently with a small number ... two or three isn't unusual. OK, concurrently looking at the specs suggests there are unicast and broadcast modes available, so in principle I think you could get a broadcast device and multiple bluetooth devices can then receive the broadcast. The catch is that you probably need a broadcast-capable device to do it. I guess that most Bluetooth audio devices are capable of receiving such a broadcast. Transmit power essentially affects range (distance) only, not the number of listeners. Obstructions will reduce the range, so a dense crowd may have some effect. Some Bluetooth systems can do 100 metres or more and I imagine a broadcast device would likely support that. (Bluetooth Basic Audio Profile: "4.14 Broadcast Audio Streaming", bluetooth.com)
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful.
Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40.
AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts
BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 175
Apprentice
|
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 175 |
Thanks, guys. The Broadcast transmitter is the answer, but I need to find one battery-powered, the goal is to set up anywhere, like the middle of Yosemite and still play to a crowd without disturbing the bears...
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,856
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,856 |
I purchased a Bluetooth transmitter but returned it because, while it would pair with a portable speaker as expected, it would not pair with my iPhone. The iPhone expects to be the transmitter of music, not the receiver apparently.
Whatever you purchase, make sure you can receive the signal on the type of devices you wish to have people use.
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 612
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 612 |
Bluetooth is not suitable for this. Buggy and high latency.
Byron Dickens BIAB. CbB. Mixbus 32C 8 HP Envy. Intel core i7. 16GB RAM W10. Focusrite Scarlett 18i 20. Various instruments played with varying degrees of proficiency. https://soundcloud.com/athanorsoundlabs
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,897
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,897 |
Bluetooth is not suitable for this. Buggy and high latency. The latency shouldn't matter too much for broadcast/streaming. Buggy is potentially a significant issue. Bluetooth is fairly new, alarmingly complex, and evolving all the time. Implementers also don't always do things the way the specifications intended. I'm not convinced that makes it unsuitable for this use. I'm not sure there's an alternative that would be suitable without dedicated gear. Something on WiFi with a App might be more robust.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful.
Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40.
AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts
BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 8,095
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 8,095 |
This unit connects with 2 BT devices but the connection process will allow up to 100 Bluetooth devices to connect to the transmitter. I noted the unit requires and draws a 700ma load @5v and comes with a mains power supply. A marine deep cycle battery would have enough charge to last for days only pulling a 700ma load. The caveat; Bluetooth specifications state seven is the maximum number of Bluetooth devices that can be connected at once. Avantree Q5049 A battery operated PA - Hisonic HS420
BIAB Ultra Pak+ 2024:RB 2024, Latest builds: Dell Optiplex 7040 Desktop; Windows-10-64 bit, Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz CPU and 16 GB Ram Memory.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,897
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,897 |
This unit connects with 2 BT devices but the connection process will allow up to 100 Bluetooth devices to connect to the transmitter. I noted the unit requires and draws a 700ma load @5v and comes with a mains power supply. A marine deep cycle battery would have enough charge to last for days only pulling a 700ma load. The caveat; Bluetooth specifications state seven is the maximum number of Bluetooth devices that can be connected at once. Avantree Q5049 A battery operated PA - Hisonic HS420 This shows very well both the risks and opportunities. The video states explicitly that it is not Bluetooth. It runs on the same 2.4GHz band as Bluetooth ... but so does 2.4G WiFi, ZigBee, DECT, and a number of proprietary protocols. Curiously, the product does not seem to appear on their website. Caveat Emptor.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful.
Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40.
AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts
BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 175
Apprentice
|
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 175 |
Thanks again, guys. What i wanted was for any passerby (7 at a time would be fine) to be able to pair with the transmitter, have a listen, hopefully put something in the hat, and be on their way. Requiring they have a specific device obviously is a non-starter. I WANT a silent concert except for those who want to hear, so no hassles with noise pollution. And without the audience needing anything more than their phone to access the audio.
Any alternate ideas appreciated...
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 8,095
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 8,095 |
For 5-8 listeners at a time, an inexpensive headphone amp provides a silent concert except for those who want to hear, so no hassles with noise pollution, latency bluetooth or wifi. Behringer's Miniamp is a 4 channel, 8 output device that meets all the criteria listed and retails for $89. Add 8 $4 headphones and alcohol wipes and away you go. Behringer $89 8 output headphone amp
BIAB Ultra Pak+ 2024:RB 2024, Latest builds: Dell Optiplex 7040 Desktop; Windows-10-64 bit, Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz CPU and 16 GB Ram Memory.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,856
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,856 |
Now that’s thinking outside the box, and inside the can.
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,320
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,320 |
Sounds too complicated and problematic to me to use BT.
As someone walking down the street, If I have to stop, pull out my phone, go to settings, connect to the BT signal, put in my ear buds.....all just to listen.... I'm probably just going to keep on walking.
Wouldn't it be better to simply use a small speaker setup and let everyone hear the music? You're going to have a higher percentage stop and listen and maybe throw a few dollars in the hat that way. Unless of course, it's illegal to play music on public streets where you are.
Everything I see on a quick search says 7 devices at a time on BT. Good luck and have fun.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 06/29/22 04:16 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 612
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 612 |
Sounds too complicated and problematic to me to use BT.
As someone walking down the street, If I have to stop, pull out my phone, go to settings, connect to the BT signal, put in my ear buds.....all just to listen.... I'm probably just going to keep on walking.
^^^^^^^^ This.
Byron Dickens BIAB. CbB. Mixbus 32C 8 HP Envy. Intel core i7. 16GB RAM W10. Focusrite Scarlett 18i 20. Various instruments played with varying degrees of proficiency. https://soundcloud.com/athanorsoundlabs
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,192
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,192 |
BT is the wrong protocol for this.
Streaming over WiFi and cellular has been happening for years. Headphone concerts are old news.
BIAB 2023 Audiophile, 24/60 Core M2 Mac Studio Ultra/8TB/192GB Sonoma, M1 MBAir, 2012 MBP
Digital Performer 11, LogicPro
Finale27.4, Dorico5, Encore5, SmartScorePro64, Notion6, Overture5
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!
The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!
Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.
This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245
The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option
Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!
Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!
For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.
Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.
Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!
Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.
Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!
With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!
If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!
The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!
There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.
If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.
We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!
Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.
Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums66
Topics81,560
Posts734,404
Members38,491
| |
Most Online2,537
Jan 19th, 2020
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean