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Lately, I became a fan of this young man videos. He is smart and funny. Most importantly, he is critical of products in constructive way. He tests many popular plugins and much more. This video is pretty long, but I found it interesting enough to share: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR7WV_F0GCQBest regards, Misha.
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Yea I subscribed to him sometime ago. He makes me laugh.
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Misha,
That is an interesting video to watch. Very eye opening to me. I'm glad he included automated mastering by Ozone as well as internet based and live with a mastering professional. The video covers all the bases and he is fun to watch.
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Jim thanks!
He has many videos debunking (and in some cases praising) popular and/or expensive plugins. He feeds info like mashed potatoes. Very easy to grasp, yet he talks about pretty complex things.
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Nice find, Misha! I especially found the interview with the mastering engineer very interesting, to see his workflow.
I subscribed to his channel and I'm going to watch a few more of his videos this morning.
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That certainly was worth watching. I can only speak for myself here. One route into this area are the effects
panels in Reaper or your favorite. Many of the same tweaks the professional was using are right there -- EQ, effects, Compression, etc. -- combined with levels on the time lines. This way, the user would go into the studio fairly well knowing what was going on.
Not to keep harping on the old days, but before digital, mastering was this magical black hole up the street. Media pros from that era, pre 1980's, have this residual intimidation. Techs were expected to adhere to production standards. Everything sounded the same, which is what they wanted. Music broke the molds -- Phil Specter, Les Paul, The Beatles. Then, along came digital.
I find the more I get into it, the more interesting it becomes. Notice the presenter laid up all the tracks for his final comparison. How cool! I haven't figured out how to use envelopes in Reaper, so, for Amazing Grace, I laid up four copies and split off regions set aside for special attention. Let's say you have one verse that needs its own tweak.
Also, finding tracks can be bounced, rendered, and then reposted to a new timeline, for further tweaking, or used as backing tracks for further production. Great fun@!
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I have spent a lot of time watching videos by this guy. It all started watching some of his Snake Oil videos where he gets various VST plugins, takes them through their paces and verifies the claims. He also has many good videos on mixing and why he does what he does. Most of the stuff he does goes back through a hardware console although he has several videos out, including this one where he compares in the box with “real mastering”. His main field is EDM but also looks at other stuff.
What I found interesting was he went from using Pro Tools to these days using Reaper (I think that was cost driven.). He very quickly got up and running with Reaper and has an interesting video on his workflows in Reaper. He also asks for help which I find interesting.
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One thing that he commented on during his review of Ozone8 is the master assistant function doesn't listen to the entire track before it makes its decisions, and that's something I've always wondered about too.
I use that function all the time to get me in the ballpark and have found that you have to be very careful to choose the right part of the track for it to analyse or it will get it wrong.
Maybe they will do that for Ozone9 :P
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One thing that he commented on during his review of Ozone8 is the master assistant function doesn't listen to the entire track before it makes its decisions, and that's something I've always wondered about too.
I use that function all the time to get me in the ballpark and have found that you have to be very careful to choose the right part of the track for it to analyse or it will get it wrong.
Maybe they will do that for Ozone9 :P If you watch any of their mastering videos they explain you should have it analyze a chorus or the loudest part of the song. Which some loop a section which is the loudest part. Brian
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I don’t use Ozone’s mastering assistant - I did experiment with it. As already mentioned most of the tutorials I read indicated that it should address 15-20s of the loudest part of your mix. I guess I’m the odd man out but when I’m mastering I want to base my Ozone module selections and other plug-ins on the entire mix - particularly with my multi band compressor (Waves LinMB). I look at mastering as more than focusing on loudness. But I’m likely missing something...there is ample precedent.  Thanks for the heads up I’m gonna watch some of his videos but I go in somewhat skeptical if his primary thing is EDM as that’s sonically far removed from our stuff. Bud
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Yes, there is much more to mastering than just making the track louder I use the master assistant to set up the EQ, Dynamics, and Dynamic EQ sections, and that's all. I find it gets me close, assuming it is looking at the right part of the track. Those are the only Ozone8 modules I use, other than the Imager. I use other things for the final compress/limit stages (I don't use their maximizer module). There is more than one way to get a good master, and I think we all have a certain workflow that we are comfortable with and gives consistent results.
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Ozone Ozone that's the one.
Slap it on and call it done.
Use Ozone!
Ok.. to "get it"... you gotta sing it like a jingle.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Ozone, ozone VST
draining power of PC
CPU can not afford,
better look at things some more.
Some of these are way alike,
But will not cause freaking spike
Doing homework as I speak,
Will post back about it.
Got to run full scale test
with a couple dozen tracks
no merged buses, weird chains
Plugin sits in every lane.
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The guy in the video tends to use Fabfilter VSTs a bit. He also goes back through the hardware console for compression and some further eq. He has an interesting video on Neutron and the assistant.
Have a look at his Snake Oil videos. I checked him out prior to buying stuff and found it good. He is not negative but seems fairly straight up, calls it like he sees it.
When it comes to Ozone being heavy on CPU I tend to run only one instance on the Master Bus. I tend to use Neutron on most if not all tracks. Then I have a chain that I apply on the master track - Neutron visual mixer - Ozone - YouLean - Span. Since I’ve been doing things this way I have found my final tracks sound better balanced, clearer, overall tonally better and also consistent volume.
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When it comes to Ozone being heavy on CPU I tend to run only one instance on the Master Bus. I tend to use Neutron on most if not all tracks. Then I have a chain that I apply on the master track - Neutron visual mixer - Ozone - YouLean - Span. Since I’ve been doing things this way I have found my final tracks sound better balanced, clearer, overall tonally better and also consistent volume.
Tony
With Ozone 8 adv you can load individual modules and that cuts way down on CPU drain. Bud
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Tony, Bud You are ahead of me Time ago somebody recommended Nectar 2 suite to me and I got it at a reasonable price. (I still think this plug is relevant) Then I bought a second hand Neutron 2... and things started to take unpleasant turns as far as CPU overloads. Ohhh yeah, couple of instances it was fine., but as soon as I started working on larger projects baaad things started to happen. I had very high hopes for Nectar 3, but that was also a mega CPU vampire. And then I tried FabFilter... I heard good things about it for a long time, but I have made a decision on Nectar and decided to go Izotope route... I must admit, I am a traitor. No more Izotope products for me except for Nectar 2 (which is CPU friendly) and Ozone Imager. Fabfilter has a super cool feature very similar to "Tonal control" in Izotope, but in my opinion is much (much!) more intuitive. The most important thing to me it uses about 50% less CPU resources (than Neutron)!! Now I can have instances of EQ going to every channel without freezing, merging buses and other acrobatics. Don't get me wrong, Izotope has great set of plugins, but not for "just good" computer, it has to be a rocket to handle more than 10-15 full instances. Misha.
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Well, I have to confess that I’m running 32gb RAM on my Mac That enables me to run BiaB, a loaded Logic Pro, Safari, a wave editor, notes, iMessage and more simultaneously. It was relatively cheap and easy to install. Bud
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Bud, it is not about Ram. It is about CPU and that what sucks. You can get bigger Ram chip but CPU is CPU... You get what you get and you do not get upset, right? Unless you have 3k dusting in a coat pocket for top of the line computer of course Plus it might be just that Mac / OS handles CPU processes differently. I know I am being a bit harsh on Izotope, because there are "ways" of making things work, but Izotope is generally known as CPU thief I do not want to compromise on project lanes etc, because I only get a few hours a week to record stuff. Fortunately, I got Izotope cheap, so no regrets
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Years ago I discovered the biggest chewer of CPU was leaving MIDI with VSTs attached still running. It is important to either freeze or render midi tracks before mixing IMHO. I mention this as some folk are not aware of this and struggle when the time comes to mix.
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FWIW my Mac "Core i7" features a 14-nm "Kaby Lake" 4.2 GHz Intel "Core i7" processor (7700K) with four independent processor "cores" on a single chip, an 8 MB shared level 3 cache, 8 GB of easy to upgrade 2400 MHz DDR4 SDRAM, and a 2 TB Hard Drive+SSD "Fusion" drive. I have no idea how this equates to PC’s. And I had to look this up The only difference is that I upgraded to 32gb RAM. As mentioned I did it myself and saved a bundle. I mention all this because before the RAM upgrade I was having a few latency issues and occasional stalls. Bud
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