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Sometimes there are bars after the chorus that contain cords and/or notes but are greyed out and don't, I think, play. I wondered how one manages these?

If they're part of a tag or coda and there are multiple choruses, then the song form allows them to be changed. But if there's one chorus, or in the case of the song on which I'm working, six choruses but no tag, just the bar labelled "end" that's greyed out, how does one reincorporate it into the song?

If I use song form and try to declare it as a tag, using "tag exists", it inserts two extra bars(?) as the tag, before the greyed-out bar, and the "end" remains outside of the song and greyed out.

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The grayed out bars do not play. They are greyed out because they are behind the end bars for whatever bar number you have set for the end of chorus.

For example, the default chorus settings are that the chorus starts at bar 1, ends at bar 32 and repeats 3 times. Then you add the ending which starts at bar 33 and will last for either two or four bars depending on your preference settings. So every bar after bar 35 or 37 should be gray and don't get played.

If you change the end bar number from the default of 32 to 16 a couple of changes occur: 1) the bar cells get bigger because 16 bars occupy the screen space 32 bars use to occupy. 2) Bar 17 gains a blue part marker. 3) Bar 17 is renamed as 17a. 4) Bar 17a is labeled with a red "end" to designate it is the first end bar. 5) Bar 33 retains its blue part marker. 6) Bar 33 loses its red "end" designation. 7) Bars 21 and up, including bar 33, are grayed out.

In this example, once the chorus end is changed from 32 to 16, bar 21 and up is no longer part of the song.


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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
If you change the end bar number from the default of 32 to 16 a couple of changes occur:
1) the bar cells get bigger because 16 bars occupy the screen space 32 bars use to occupy.
2) Bar 17 gains a blue part marker.
3) Bar 17 is renamed as 17a.
4) Bar 17a is labeled with a red "end" to designate it is the first end bar.
5) Bar 33 retains its blue part marker.
6) Bar 33 loses its red "end" designation.
7) Bars 21 and up, including bar 33, are grayed out.

In this example, once the chorus end is changed from 32 to 16, bar 21 and up is no longer part of the song.


Much of that is as I understood it, but thank you for listing it in that detail. I'll be absorbing that tomorrow.

I haven't changed the length of the song, it was always 35 bars, unusually 31 bars for the chorus and the bars 32 through 35 for an outro. I used Edit->Song Form->Settings...->Title/Chorus to set the chorus to the 31 bars, and the remaining four bars are then orphaned.

I have managed to get it sorted ... I forget exactly how ... some combination of swapping between 1 and two choruses, with or without tag and/or deleting the add-on bars. When I set the song form to 21 bars for the chorus I expected the later for bars to be the ending, but they weren't.


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