Am I missing something, or was it eliminated for some reason. I was auditioning some styles and they were blasting in my ear (with my computer volume turned down pretty low).

It would be nice to have it back. If it isn't hidden somewhere that I've missed.

I understand that if you are generating the tracks from the style picker, in the chord sheet, that it would take on the levels set in the mixer... But if you are auditioning the demos from the style, what control do you have?

Thanks!

It's here :

Hallelujah! Thank You! (It is kind of hidden though )

I'm seriously thinking about uninstalling 2024 and going back to v2023. It's one step forward and two back. Myself and others wish for fewer clicks, menus, sub-menus and pop-ups. All this version has done is given us many more. The lack of common sense is mind boggling.

That's why I liked the buttons they removed. A button you see, it tells you yes or no....It's visual and there is no need to do 3 submenus to find it. On the other hand, the MP is really nice, but I admit that at the moment I use it too little. The Tracks view reminds me of my Daws, and I like Ctrl-F8 on a specific portion. The main asset for me is the Reaper plugin. Besides, in Studio One it does not produce any sound. It produces empty sound files, it's so weird.

I can't make that volume control stick at 4 - 5. Each time I turn down the volume, when I double click on the next demo in the list, it switches back to 10 as the default. I have to turn down the volume on my audio interface, preview some style demos, then turn it back up if I find one I like.

The MP is a great idea but needs massive improvement before I personally care for it. So much is now hidden in menus etc, but worse of all IMO it doesn't serve much purpose being a non modal window (or whatever you call it) while it's set to always on top only, I have to close it just as often as any of the previous style windows just to get it out of my way. It should have an option to disable "always on top".

Mixing topics in this tread, but...

Hang in there guys. There is a massive amount of effort behind the scenes to bring it all together, remove redundancy, and improve workflow. And yes, we continue to bring the reported bugs to the developers. Only time will tell if this can be pulled off. But rest assured PGM is hearing the feedback.

You're right again, I even wondered if I should take out my old screen to add it to my desk, it would be practical for this awesome MP, but I don't have much space anymore with my Komplete keyboard. But I seriously asked myself the question.
The advantage of MP as its name suggests is that you can select everything on a single screen, RT, RD & Styles at least. So, in terms of space requirements, it comes down to the same as screen by screen.
And if you deactivate "always on top" you will spend your time looking for it....

Lee,
"given us" .... is very subjective. I don't agree with this assessment at all.
As well as I don't agree with some other strange & unsupported comments you made.

2024 given "us" lightning speed regenerations, non modal windows, excellent MTP Library, where most of BIAB content is easily accessible all in one place, great set of RT's and other content and a few other bells and whistles, including VST3 support that is coming later this year and will be free to those who upgraded.

Of course there are minor issues with MTP and it is perfectly fine to discuss and offer suggestions, and of course report bugs, but these little "this and that" things are NOTHING compared to old modal pickers problems. I feel sorry for those who fail to see big picture.

P.S. MTP library can be easily closed and recalled with shortcut or a dedicated button on upper right tabbed menu of GUI. What is the big deal here?

In fact I wonder if the volume of the demo is not integrated into the demo, recorded with it since it actually changes depending on the demos....

Don’t forget the MP is a toggle.
F7 there it is. F7 there it’s gone.

The new Track view works the same way.
Click Track view icon there it is.
Click it again and you see the Chord view.

Workflow that is in your hands as we speak is the Custom toolbar tab.
Set it up with just the icons that you’re interested in your workflow and you can avoid a lot of the current redundancy.

"In fact I wonder if the volume of the demo is not integrated into the demo, recorded with it since it actually changes depending on the demos.."

I believe this is true (unfortunately). Not only styles, but a lot of other content too. I wonder if volumes can be offset to main mixer value and have a "relative" volume controls for auditioning. That is an important subject.

This is great advice. We have never needed this Custom toolbar more than right now.

Don't take my wording too literal It's just another way of saying "replaced with" which is bad for those that don't like it.

What have I said that' strange and unsupported?


I've not said it's all bad. I'm just picking out things that I personally think are bad. It has moved forward in some areas, and back in too many others.
This is all about workflow. We don't all work the same way. If I think something is a bad idea and you don't, then sure that could cause split opinions. However, most of what I argue about are things that could easily be implemented or simply put back as they were without having any negative impact on your workflow, while at the same time improving mine.


Nothing to do with the bigger picture. If the new implementations slow me down then the advantages might get outweighed by the disadvantages - according to my own way of working. Nobody is right or wrong, we just do things differently. If I look at the way you do things I'd probably think you have far too much patience on your hands - but that's your way of doing things and that's fine.
I wouldn't argue necessarily about features or improvements that I want if it was going to affect the majority of users and the way they like to work. Most of what I complain about are things that would simply make it better for people that work similar to me, and have no impact on anyone else - at least not that I can predict - sure I could be wrong.


The bid deal is speed and unnecessary annoyance. The mouse is always in my hand when I'm looking for styles and realtracks. Click between screens and I'm done. Shortcuts? I have enough to remember already, BIAB isn't the only software I use. If I'm going to need to regularly open and close the multipicker with a shortcut, then it offers no real advantage over the older pickers.

We should all respect that not everybody works the same - and in my case, I'm very impatient and like to get things done with as least aggravation as possible - which becomes especially annoying when a very easy solution could be had to please us all.

You can run 2023 along side 2024 until they fix a few more issues and you get comfortable with it.
You should have 2023 in C:\Data\Backups
I have lots of different versions along side 2024, this way you will get all the new tracks in 2023

bbw64 - 1013.exe (2023)
bbw64.exe (2024)

I'm running build 1108 for BIAB 2024 and when I set my volume to 2/10, it stayed at 2 while I tried out different demos. This value stayed active while BIAB was open.

When I closed BIAB and re-opened it, the value was 5/10.

Have you installed build 1108?
https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=793249#Post793249

Regards,
--Noel


★ a recent song of mine: Every Single Day (a duet using Synthesizer V’s vocaloids, Kevin & Natalie)

Lee.
You made a particular vote couple of weeks ago and I asked to back it up with constructive comments, which never materialized.
That is what I am talking about.

If you have hard time of memorizing F7 and/or a large graphical toggle button.... I have no comment.

P.S. "majority of users" - Majority of users are not on this forum.
I am very certain majority of users would pick new non modal MTP Library hands down instead of 9 modal, pickers that have all kinds of issues, discrepancies and bugs. Especially new users. We care about those a little, right?

You have got a System mixer by right click speaker icon:

Thanks. I keep meaning to but haven't got round to trying it. I don't have enough disk space so need to figure out how to share the realtracks folders, if possible.

I felt too p*** off about it all at the time so decided to calm down and give it a while for bug fixes before making comment. I thought I'd said something like that in that thread, maybe I didn't? I haven't checked.

That's just you missing the point and thinking your way is better than mine.

Seems you didn't read that sentence properly.

Not once have I disagreed with that.
I feel like you are trying to single me out simply because I don't agree with your workflow. I respect yours, you should respect mine.

Lee,
you voiced your personal frustrations by making a case that a few relatively small items that got changed not to your liking or lack of enthusiasm to adopting makes somehow current iteration of the program so bad that it's worth of reverting. That is exactly how I would read your comments if I came to this forum today for the first time.

Overall new MTP is a huge success. Does it need some more work? - sure, fair enough. Bugs reported and fixed - absolutely. But "needs massive improvement" - I strongly disagree.

P.S. My way is not "better" than your way, but I don't believe that memorizing a single key shortcut and / or a nice button on top right is something that should interfere with adoption to one of the most important tools in BIAB. Really. Give it a try, perhaps you will change your mind.

Trust me, I won't. It's a single shortcut for one function for one piece of software.
I use, Cubase, Studio One, FL Studio (not often), Dorico, Guitar Pro, BIAB, Spectralayers, Soundslice, Transcribe, Neck Diagrams. and more, very often, almost daily with multiple windows open at a time. Add to that, the Affinity apps, Excel on and on. I have a lot to remember and some of these, including BIAB have no option to customise shortcuts. Habit takes over and you end up frustrated by using wrong shortcuts accidently.

When I'm working, despite using mostly shortcuts wherever I can, when it makes sense, the mouse is pretty much in my hand the whole time. It's easy to remember and use. A simple click to bring up a window that I need to work on. "Always on top" is an absolute PITA. It's dead easy to make an option to disable and affects nobody negatively. Same with all the other things that are now buried, which wasn't before.

I shouldn't have to explain myself. I'm not asking to make anyone else's life harder to make mine easier. If we all worked the same way then no software we need any setup options or preferences. IMO forcing unnecessary clicks and extra menus is madness when it's done for no good reason. It just makes the workflow so much more frustrating.

If we want to exchange opinions then I can say exactly the same about you. You obviously have no problem with multiple unnecessary clicks, keypresses and stacks of nested menus. Maybe you have a lot of time on your hands. Try it my way, you might change your mind

Honestly, I don't see the point of arguing or telling each other they are doing it all wrong. I've admitted countless times I'm impatient. Keeping things simple and all easily accessible shouldn't hinder anybody's workflow, so why not just design things to work easier. If you can give me a reason for doing away with countless unnecessary menus, clicks and keypresses - other than because it looks prettier, then I might find reason to agree with you.

One thing that I don't like are 7-9 separate jailed/modal pickers accessed individually from unintuitive places. Each looks different, act different and each having their own bugs, limitations and issues.

No, of course you don't have to explain anything to anyone.

"It's dead easy to make an option to disable and affects nobody negatively." Why not make a post in wishlist? While many wishes fall through, good number get done.

That we agree on


I will at some point, I just haven't had enough time to work properly with the new version. Some of my gripes are quite minor, more just irritating, and I talk out of frustration rather than them being serious workflow problems.

"Some of my gripes are quite minor, more just irritating, and I talk out of frustration rather than them being serious workflow problems."

You wanna hear mine?

Lee,
Thank you for clarifying!