Hi,
I am in the process of going through a folder of BIAB songs from the internet, the folder has over 7000 tunes. I need a great sounding VST that recognizes GM and will load patches automatically, but also sounds as good as the Keytron SD2 or better. So I'm a little bummed out that Sonar doesnt work for me (windows 7) I have been using the TTS-1 from Sonar as my VST sound module. I don't mind the sounds in the Roland VSC, but i'm wondering if anyone knows of a great sounding VST library that I can use. I have Bandstand, Garritan Jazz and Big Band, etc. But none of these really cut it and they are a pain to program.
thanks for your help and suggestions as usual,
ED
Check out the VSTSynthFont. Works in BIAB and RB. I don't know what instruments you're looking for but plenty of Soundfonts out there, many are free. I have a post in this thread about the ones I like.
http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/showfl...true#Post229074Rachael
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I need a great sounding VST that recognizes GM and will load patches automatically, but also sounds as good as the Keytron SD2 or better.
This has been the holy grail for years and I don't think it exists. The problem is GM and loading the patches automatically. Really pro sounding softsynths don't use GM at all and the few that include a GM bank like my Emulator X sounds terrible. Before the SD2 came out, Mac had good success loading in his very expensive Gigasamples into the basic Forte player that most of us have but you need to be Mac to do it. Kinda tricky to set that all up. And, it only worked for him because he already had those Gigasamples. That library costs as much as a high end keyboard. All the big name softsynth/sampler developers feel GM is too restrictive regarding midi implementation and it's basically for amateurs. This is why when the Ketron and the Roland Sonic Cell came out a two years ago they created a sensation for us GM users because their GM banks sound pretty good and they also have a bunch of great sounding higher banks if you want to use them. Afaik, the only good sounding GM soundbanks are in hardware synths either modules or keyboards that cost over $2,000. Soundfonts are ok but they're not in the same league as the SD2.
Bob
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I need a great sounding VST that recognizes GM and will load patches automatically, but also sounds as good as the Keytron SD2 or better.
It is my opinion that such is unobtanium.
--Mac
Yeah,
My feeling on that is if you want the sound of an SD2, buy an SD2. It's an investment that ends up paying for itself in the long run in your pleasure from hearing the music.
Gary
You can try SoundStage from Sonivox (www.sonivoxmi.com). For the price, $100, it is a remarkably good GM module. I downloaded the free version and tested it out for a few days, and was generally pleased. My objective was to find something better than my 800MB soundfont collection, and it tempted me.
General MIDI never sounds perfect because it's a compromise of sorts. But if what you want to do is make your freshly-generated BiaB or RealBand tracks sound a bit better, this would do the trick. Because I am a song writer making demos, my goal is to get "close enough" to a good sound, then I will usually substitute selected instruments from a sampler (SampleTank, Kontakt, Kore, etc.).
SoundStage is about 1 gig, which is 4x the size of Sonivox's GM Soundfont set (250 MB), so I don't believe they just repackaged that particular beastie into a new wrapper.
Having said all that.... when I step back and think about what makes me the most productive in producing demos, it's RealTracks. For my money, I will almost certainly allocate any funds toward more RealTracks, rather than more samplers of any type.
I just found a free 1.5GB soundfont, you might wanna try it .
The Crisis 3.1 Sf2
http://www.bismutnetwork.com/10Music/Crisis/Soundfont3.0.phpgreetings from Holland
Use of Soundfonts can indeed represent a very good way to go when a software synthesizer, or at least a MIDI synth that lives inside the computer, is desired.
Use of one of the Creative cards that run the Soundfonts from their own external engine can open that up even further, emulating a hardware synthesizer in terms of latency (near zero when done right), plus you can try all sorts of available GM, GS and other banks of sounds without resorting to vast expenditure.
With a bit more self-research and education on the subject, one can even learn how to mix and match Soundfonts to create their own custom soundbanks, using programs like the good old (and somewhat complicated to master) Vienna program from Creative, or perhaps start out by finding a copy of the good old easier to use Drag 'n Drop "Soundfont Librarian" program.
The tradeoff is learning curve.
--Mac
Ed,
Am I miss reading this or are you satisfied with the TTS-1 ? It can be used in BIAB.
Hi,
Thanks so all of you for your suggestions. I did download the Sonivox demo, but I found out it has 1 channel only, so that wont work either.
Silvertones, I do like the TTS-1 very much, and if I could just get Sonar to work for me in Windows 7, I would use it again. I only need sounds for a quick review of a tune, once I like it I always use Real Tracks before finishing and converting to MP3.
Take care,
Ed
OK, not as good as Ketron SD2 (which I own) but Prodipe VE is a relatively new GM software synth. Honestly, I don't use it much but I have it working on the computer we're using just to try Windows 7. I haven't tried BIAB on that computer but the Prodipe works fine with Windows 7 and another sequencer.
The Prodipe box includes a usb dongle which is also a simple audio interface. That turned out to be an advantage because Windows 7 doesn't recognize the computer's internal soundcard. As is recall, Prodipe VE cost around $90 US.
Susan
I am way behind and haven’t checked in at Cakewalk in a while so I also bummed to hear about Sonar – not working in Win 7?? (but I’m still in Win XP SP 3 so don’t really care yet and won’t for at least a year)
But since the subject is broached can anyone here give a fairly objective “how does the Ketron SD compare to other GM dedicated boxes like the RolandED SC-8850?” Which I do own and use for scratch work and quick work-ups (I like it better than messing with VSTs or soundfonts – cause I just twist a dial - two feet away) [But since this past Christmas I find myself using more and more realtracks/Realdrums <G>)
Edited- Strike those PS's (I deleted them) I found the samples I think I know the answer to above question
Thanks for any insight here.
Larry
Larry, who told you SONAR doesn't work in Windows 7?
It works fine for me.
I am running Win 7 RC 32-bit. If you have Vista drivers for your soundcard, things should be fine. If your soundcard is a firewire device, there is a 'trick' involving legacy drivers; you can write back if you need that info.
Susan,
thanks for the heads up on prodipe VE. I hadn't heard of this device but it looks like a really promising product. I wonder if anyone has experience of using it with BIAB? In particular I would like to know whether it will automatically respond to BIABs Midi instructions to change patches for new songs or new sections of songs (a lot of synths with GM capability won't do that). Also any opinions on sound quality versus the VSC and Forte woud be welcome.
The prospect of a better quality GM synth with no latency which works with BIAB as seamlessly as the VSC, and all for 99 Euros would be extremely appealing.
I don't often end up using the VSC sounds in my final compositions (usually substitute them with Sampletank or Halion voices once I move the project to Cubase) but I think that I sometimes might be dismissing some of the midi based styles just because of the quality of some of the VSC voices (particularly guitar).
The long term solution definitely resides with realtracks which are awesome, but I think that the midi styles will still be important until the realtracks library builds out more (2009.5 was a great step in that direction).
Many thanks
Regards, Aubrey
Matt,
I'm the guilty party, I mentioned in my original post that Sonar wasn't working for me in Windows 7. I should have added "Because I can't get my interface (Tascam Fireone) to play nice with Sonar."
Actually, I just reinstalled Sonar and I am able to use the TTS-1 with BIAB (Thank God!) I just can't do any further editing in Sonar.
I still want to pick me up one of those way cool Keytron SD2 units. It seems I have to have an emergency meeting with the War Department (Wife) before I can do so.........
Ed
Aubrey, the Prodipe VE does handle GM patch changes automatically. Keep in mind that I use GM synths primarily for playing midi files written to accompany piano teaching pieces, so my opinion on the sounds may not be entirely relevant to most BIAB users. FWIW, I like the Prodipe VE better than VSC-DXi/VST and Forte but not nearly so well as I like my Ketron SD2. (Except for REALLY HATING the vibrato on the SD2's clarinet and trumpet and not liking the pizz strings very much either, if anyone from Ketron is reading this post).
Susan
Thanks Susan,
I have set aside the next few weeks for enjoying the 2009.5 realtracks, but after that I think that i might get Prodipe VE and give it a spin (I have found it for only £38.00 sterling on Thomann.com).
Best regards, Aubrey