SUBSTYLES dont work! Using 2018.

Does anyone get these to work? I create them in the list,
but they never work.

It baffles me how anyone could compose without this feature
working perfectly.

Could you provide any further information on what steps you take to create them in the list etc, and how you then attempt to implement? That might help to get a clearer picture of the problem.

Substyles to me are the differences in sound that are marked by blue or green indicators. Green is generally ‘busier’ sounding than blue. If that’s what you mean, then yes, they work fine.

If they don’t work for you, then try Return to Factory Settings.

If that doesn’t work, then we need to know what style or specific RealTracks you are using.

THANKS for replies guys. but I'm not sure were on the same page.


1 RIGHT CLICK ON part marker

2 Pick ANY STYLE from biab,

3 Save as substyle. eg: e/f

4. Select substyle of choice at measure.

5 Biab doesn't acknowledge selection.


Doesn't work for me , 2018

I couldn't follow those steps. Presumably for Step 2 you mean pick any letter for a SubSytle. You can't select a STYLE directly from those menu items, or did you mean select the Define c/d option for step 2?

Hi,

yes sorry, DEFINE C/D.

But after C/D is defined, then E/F option available, and all through the alphabet, apparently, become available.

But as I say, selecting what you define is the problem for me. It seems super buggy.

Like once it took my C/D but then wouldn't , etc, etc.

Did this ADVERTISED feature, EVER work? I'm guessing no.

But, if so, I will gladly use a different version/ year that proves me wrong.


I will even buy 2019, which to date had zero features
which interested me.

<<< Did this ADVERTISED feature, EVER work? I'm guessing no. >>>

It's always worked. But, they are called MultiStyles not SubStyles.


Some Biab Styles are multistyles and normally have 4 style changes or you can create your own custom multistyle. A multistyle can contain up to 24 multistyles.

You can find Biab created multistyles in the Stylepicker by filtering your search with the + sign. A search on my system yielded 898 multistyles.

To learn how to create your own custom style, in BIAB Help\Help Topics\Topic Search\multistyles


Hope this helps.

I think it would help if you listed some style examples. Tell us the main style of your song and the styles you're trying to use as substyles. There could be a couple things going on.

There aren't too many styles that were created with more than two dedicated substyles, but there are some... one example is _BOSALT+. This style has multiple substyles defined in the style. We made several similar styles and combined them into one.

What *you* are doing is defining the substyles in the song, starting with a style that only has two (A/B) substyles. so presumably you're trying to find similar sounding styles that could be used in different sections of your song.

Note that styles vary in how distinct their A and B substyles are. With RealStyles (all RealTracks) it's typically the Drums that are the main difference.

You can likely accomplish what you want without messing with substyles - You can make changes at any bar for example (F5) choosing different styles and instruments, muting instruments, etc.

THANKS your the first person who called them multi.
But creating multi styles seems super confusing. I made
some, saved them, But then style search can never find them.

Hi,

yes I now saw that pre made substyles is very limited,
unforunately.
So I then went to option of just finding any style I like, naming it, and saving as a style. But so far
I cant retrieve them in style searches.

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SECOND METHOD

Yes Ive used f5 before, the problem I have is
HOW DO I EDIT THIS NEW STYLE, ONLY TO PLAY AT THE
BARS I WANT?

I just added a style at say bar 100. IT seemed to
work, but the minute I tried to change the guitar to
a different real style, In the mixer, { didnt like the first one }

IT CHANGED THE GUITAR, AND SOUND FOR ALL THE PREVIOUS
STYLES, totally wrecking the whole song.

??

thanks

To reiterate,

it appears to me,----- the f5 method ---- forces all your style choices to use basically the same 7 instruments/ instrument performances !


That is a horrible , absurd reduction from the lush original styles!

If you made a new style, you can load it in using File | Load Style (F9). Or do a 'slow rebuild' of the StylePicker window. This adds third party / user styles (it takes longer to do that than it does to look for PG Music styles, which is why it is called a slow rebuild). After the slow rebuild, your user style should show up in the StylePicker. You should save the style in the bb\Styles folder. (The StylePicker is improved in 2019 with respect to User styles, in that you can edit the meta data (long style name, description, etc.) via the StyleMaker and that data will display in the StylePicker.)



In the Edit Settings for current bar dialog (access by clicking on a bar and pressing F5), under "Style Changes at this Bar", click either the .STY button (to open StylePicker), or the Open button (to load any style from disk). The style will start playing at that bar. Click on the bar that you want it to go back to the previous style on and change it back.



You can change the style as I described... this changes ALL instruments (RealTracks/Drums) at the same time, because a style is a collection of instruments. If you want to just change ONE instrument press either the RealTracks or RealDrums button in the F5 dialog. This allows you to change instruments on each individual track, while keeping the Style the same.

If you only want an instrument to play during certain bars, you can use the drop-down menus in the 'Instrument Changes at this bar' section to mute and then later in the song unmute an instrument. There is another way to mute instruments. In the Chord sheet window enter the chord symbol followed by a dot (this rests all instruments) followed by the first letter of the track(s) you want to exclude from the rest.

Andrew, this info would be a good item for the Tips and Trick section.

thanks Andrew.

First I had a new problem. NO AUDIO on first four bars.
Huh?

So I factory reset everything, which totally messed up my drivers. Went to Microsoft GS wavetable drivers. seems
to work.

F5 is finally working now. IE: allowing new styles
without wrecking the previous, or post styles. Never
worked before.

HOWEVER, there is a new problem.

why are only YELLOW midi tracks showing in the
mixer and playing?

Do you mean you only see yellow tracks in the mixer? This would be because the current style only has MIDI tracks and no RealTracks (green / audio).

Or do you mean that you see both yellow and green tracks but can only hear the yellow ones. This would mean that you are only hearing MIDI and not audio.
You should go back to the Driver Setup dialog, and select "Use DXi/VSTi synth". Choose the Coyote Wavetable DXi synth if it isn't selected already.

Ok, Im having the SAME problem I always have.

IF you change the STYLE on F5,

it CORRUPTS ALL THE OTHER STYLES IN THE SONG!!!!!!

And you cant / back delete out of it.

INFURIATING!

I have BIAB 2019, and this is working for me. The below link is to an AVI file showing BIAB playing a chord sheet where I've changed the styles at bars 9, 17 and 25 (this is shown as a red line under the bar numbers).

Test file - video of chordsheet including style changes (link)

Every thing runs smoothly.

To delete any of those style changes, I simply place the cursor on the bar where the style change occurred (i.e. bar 9, 17 or 25), open bar settings (F5) and then press "Clear Style" as shown by #1 on the top image below.

If I want to get a summary of where the style changes are, I press "Print Summary" (#2 on the top image below).

When I pressed "Print Summary", BIAB gave me the summary of style changes shown by the lower image.

Regards,
Noel

hey Noel96 - thanks so much for running this test.

Yes , yours certainly appears to work.

I will examine it all tomorrow, and report back.

Also notice the "Reset All Bars" and "Reset Bar" buttons adjacent to the red outline in Noel's screen shot.

Hi thanks for feedback,

The problem seems to be:

1. Demo the features seems to work.

2. But when you get deeper in a project, Bugs in this
feature create worsening problems. Problems till its
unusable.

{ using 2018 }

KGU,

Could you elaborate a little more on point 2 above?

When you say... "But when you get deeper in a project, Bugs in this
feature create worsening problems. Problems till its
unusable."

... what do you mean?

I'm not sure how to interpret "deeper in a project". What kind of things are you doing that BIAB doesn't agree with?

Regards,
Noel

Cant give exact examples. Just start working

with it. Wont be long,

till everything goes HAYWIRE!

USING MAC BIAB 2018 ON IMAC PRO

Styles … Most BIAB Styles Have 2 Substyles, ("a" Blue 1/2 Note Bass, "b" Green 1/4 Note Bass); To Set Substyle "a", Toggle Bar Number To Blue; To Set Substyle "b", Toggle Bar Number To Green

Set Bars 1-4 To Blue (Half Note Bass)
Set Bars 5-8 To Green (1/4 Note Bass)

TRY To Eliminate Part Marker Change For Bars 1-5, Back To Blue

DOES NOT MAKE THE CHANGE NO MATTER WHETHER ...
BLUE, GREEN, OR WHITE PART MARKER PLACED ON BAR 5
ALSO IGNORES CHECKMARK ON "NO CHANGE IF SUBSTYLE"

Hi JDW,

Welcome to the forum.

Did you regenerate the song after changing the part markers? Also, if any of the tracks are frozen, they need to be unfrozen before generating for the part marker changes to take effect.

Regards,
Noel

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Thank You For Your Response, Noel
I did try that late last night and it worked.
I was surprised because there is nothing in the Mac manual about using GenPlay for that purpose.
Again, thank you so much
JDW

Also, don't forget the song setting "vary style in middle choruses". Even if you have "A" and "B" part markers within a chorus, they'll be ignored in all but the first and last choruses. It will just play the "B" part marker in the middle choruses.

Hi JDW,

I'm glad you're all up and running.

All the best,
Noel

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