I was going to finish the song in BB VST.
However, it was finally found that it was better to complete the song first in the main program of band in a box.
But I don't know much about the main program of band in a box.
There are two main questions:
First: although it is divided into ABCD paragraphs, it is not particularly obvious. For example, a starts with intro, but the feeling changes when it returns. It is not intro at all. It is different from what was played just now. How can we control the change?
Second: how many settings are appropriate for a song to end? 32 or 64? I have no experience in these. I hope you can help me. thank you

Pop music uses arrangement labels like Inro, Verse, Bridge,.

Band-in-a-Box uses the jazz method of arrangement where there is a non repeatable introduction, a chorus that repeats as many times as desired (the default chorus repeat is three (3) times and a no repeatable ending.

A song can be as short or as long as you desire. The shortest number of bars Band-in-a-Box can handle is two (2). The most number of bars Band-in-a-Box can handle is two hundred fifty five (255).

Use part marker (1) when you want a fill or (2) when you want to change the intensity of the song. An "A" part marker is less intense and a "B" part marker is more intense.

Jim Fogle：

The key changes every time it is strong or not.
How can I clearly mark the beginning, main song and chorus

One method I use is Bar-based Section Letters. Right-click on a bar number and you'll see. I might use I, V, C, B for Intro, Verse, Chorus, Bridge.

Matt Finley：

Because my English is not good, it is difficult to understand.
Whether there is a screenshot or an operation video is better.
Now I try to do everything well in BIAB, and then transfer to bbvst

thanks. But why is this C?
What I see is this.

You asked:
"How can I clearly mark the beginning, main song and chorus"
Matt and I answered that question

Follow my 3 numbered steps.

1: Right Click
2: Choose Bar Based Section Letters from the context menu
3: Choose a letter you want to appear, "C" for Chorus, "V" for Verse etc. and that letter will be added to the bar.

VideoTrack

Oh, I see. You just mean that as a mark.
I mean, sometimes the paragraph changes are not obvious. Sometimes I mark the beginning, but repeat it once, such as choruses x 2. When I repeat it for the second time, the sound of the beginning paragraph changes. It's hard for me to control.
I think I'm not familiar with the software and where the settings are wrong.

https://ufile.io/o9a7zdn9 https://ufile.io/o9a7zdn9

https://ufile.io/1burfqut

I recorded a video. Although it is segmented, it sounds that the distinction is not big

Two things:

1: In the video you pressed Play, not Generate and Play, so therefore the song would not be regenerated (previous variations would remain the same unless you made a deliberate change to the song).

2: In Song Settings (Control-N), if you have Vary Style in Middle Choruses set to "Yes," the song will play in sub-style B for the second chorus. That could be the variation you are hearing.

VideoTrack：

thank you.

In Song settings, I think it is checked by default. Should I remove the check??


In fact, I just want the paragraph to be clear.
Is there any kind of setting that can clearly divide the four paragraphs intro, verse, chorus and bridge
Then, each generation will have a small melody rhythm change, but the four paragraphs are still very clear.

VideoTrack：

https://ufile.io/x8slolzz


You listen to this beginning and cycle back in 50 seconds, but the effect is different and stronger. It's not intro anymore. That's what I said, what confused me.
I hope it can. It doesn't change every time

HI,Jim Fogle

A and B are not strong and strong
So what is the relationship between C and D? C. What is the relationship between D and a, B?


This is a screenshot of the teaching video I saw on the official YouTube

Yes. Remove the check and regenerate and listen the to difference. Each play through the song will be a similar 'energy level'.



BiaB doesn't work this way. It uses the concept of a Chorus, where each chorus is one play through the song.
You can have Intro, one or more Choruses, and a Tag ending which can jump from any bar within the last chorus.

BiaB doesn't support Verse, Bridge etc by those names. The 'Chorus' concept is the way the developers designed it.

Feel free to experiment with settings and listen the the results. You'll begin to better understand how things fit together.

This song has a 4-bar intro, the Chorus start from bar 5 to 45 and repeats 3 times:

VideoTrack：

yes. My tangle is that every repetition is different.
I finally have to save it and finish the song in Daw through bbvst.
But because every repetition in BIAB is different, I don't know how to keep it.
So I thought I should write a complete song in BIAM and save it. Finally, call bbvst and use.
The general idea is that BIAB comes up with a framework. Complete the song in Daw with the help of bbvst.

You gave me the "bandinabox for windows part markers Overview" on the official website last time. I think it's very useful. Are there any similar tutorials? For "part markers"

You can fix that. You can 'freeze' the tracks so that they don't change each generation.
After you generate/play the song and like the way it sounds, freeze each track. The 'snowflake' icon turns blue.
After that, every time you play the song those tracks will always sound the same, there will be no changes in the performance for any tracks you have frozen.

Will the snowflake function also work in bbvst?
I'm thinking or going directly to BBVs to constantly generate the melody I need, which is also possible. I'll try later.

This video may help you.

Band in a Box Part Markers

After testing, if C / D is used in BIAB, it cannot be used in BB VST.
Because bbvst can only recognize a and B

Good. Let us know your results.

Yes, they confuse you when they label something as a Verse when internally the program only has a 'Chorus'.
They are showing you that the Chorus can have a Verse as well, but internally they only call it a Chorus. It's less than ideal terminology, and a naming convention that I only ever found used in BiaB. The concept of one play through the song as a 'Chorus' is one I was not familiar with until I first used BiaB. More conventional naming of the parts of a song would be more beneficial, in my view.

Using the Blue Freeze marker is useful while your song is still a work in progress and you may want to unfreeze the track and make changes. Once you have completed changes and editing to a track in BIAB and consider the track complete, another method is the more advanced freeze option; The Artist Performance Track Feature.

Some benefits of the Artist Performance Track:

01. The Track is frozen from regeneration
02. The Track color is automatically changed to Orange clearly marking the Track has been edited.
03. The Track is automatically converted to a WAV audio file.
04. The Track is automatically saved into the Folder designated by the user for saving the song project.
05. The Track's saved audio file is automatically renamed and the track the audio resides on is included in the naming.
06. The audio file can be accessed and edited from the BIAB Audio Editor.
07. The Track can be renamed and any future changes to the track, the renaming is preserved.
08. The Performance Track responds to Key Changes and Tempo Changes without any changes to the WAV audio that's generated and saved.
09. The Performance Track does not respond to Chord Changes or song regenerations.
10. The Performance Track can be undone (erased) with a click of the mouse.
11. The Performance Track can either be erased or saved whichever the user chooses to do.
12. BIAB Plugins, tone controls, volume and panning can all be applied to Performance Tracks.
13. The Performance Track can be moved to a Utility Track.
14. All media BIAB recognizes, RealTracks, Midi, SuperMidi, audio, loops, RealDrums or any combination can be converted into a Performance Track.

To make any Track into a Performance Track; Right click on the Track and from the drop down menu select Track Actions | Save Track as Performance File (Wav,M4a).

After testing, if C / D is used in BIAB, it cannot be used in BB VST.
Because bbvst can only recognize A, B

I hope BB VST can support C / D

A,B,C,D

C= INTRO
A= VERSE
B= CHORUS
D= Interlude

Yes, that would be a useful addition if it is not currently implemented.

If wav is generated, I think so
Directly complete only paragraphs A and B in Biba, such as
A
A
B
A
B
Then save it as sug, and then go to bbvst to open the saved sug
Then directly generate the wav in bbvts and put the wav into the orbit of Daw
What's your opinion?

Jim Fogle/all
re jazz vs pop symbols.
dont you think its high time to go to a very flexible settings environment instead of this old legacy stuff/workarounds ?

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=16716&filename=Muso-Bar-Window5.png

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=663620#Post663620

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This is a brand new design. I estimate that it will be difficult to achieve in 2022. Even if it is achieved, BBVST is difficult to achieve together. Indeed, it needs to be revised. but. . .

This has been previously reported to the development team. They set their own priorities of what needs to be worked on, but hopefully the plugin version of Band-in-a-Box will support MultiStyles soon.

Yes, agreed. There are many other reported issues that deserve priority consideration.

Thank you. I hope it will come true soon.

Yes, except there's no need to routing the Wav file through the BIAB VST DAW Plugin. Neither the Plugin nor RealBand DAW are full featured BIAB products. It's most beneficial to do BIAB track edits in BIAB where the user has access to each and every BIAB feature, function, technique and process. The BBVTS can not add anything to a BIAB track that BIAB can't do easier, faster and more efficiently. BIAB has the ability to construct complete multi track song projects with dozens of instruments across the equivalent of dozens of tracks and the final product being indistinguishable from a similarly constructed song done in a DAW.

PG Music developers make great use of MultiStyles in the StylePicker and Xtra Paks along with including them in demos. They are a very effective tool to make arrangements more complex, complete, require less editing and allows the user to export professional grade audio file mixes that don't need any additional editing in their DAW except for adding Fx's, routing and mixing/mastering their song. Neither the BBVTS or RealBand recognize MultiStyles. RealBand never has in all the years its been around. My version of BIAB StylePicker contains nearly 1,000 multiStyles with many being midi type styles that should be easily adapted to creating modern pop music style songs.

Also, the BBVTS won't generate nor regenerate the saved WAV file. It's a normal audio file and no longer a BIAB RealTrack, Midi or SuperMidi element.

Charlie Fogle


When I load song demo
All I see is a, B
Never C, D
Even in multistyles1, there are no a, B, C, D, only a, B

It may depend on which demo you loaded.
Try loading:
_BOMDIA+ Demo - 6-Substyle Medium Bossa MultiStyle
or
ClimbBt+.sty MultiStyle demo (A,B,C,D sections)

Are you loading in BiaB or the Plugin?

I use BiaB for loading demo.

Because BBVST can't play Multistyle.

I found that searching for "+" can find all Multistyle

Chantelle - PG Music

about bb vst.

If every track setting can be set and selected to output intro, verse, chorus and interluder, it will be more intuitive.

I can generate different paragraphs, then put the wav directly into the Daw audio track and splice it myself.
Such a song can be completed quickly.

Swingbabymix

That's right. MultiStyle1 is a normal Style that's part of a MultiStyle group of normal styles that comprise a MultiStyle.

MultiStyle1 is the main style and the other Styles, MultiStyle2,MultiStyle3,MultiStyle4, and so on are the variations of the main style. All of these styles are accessed as a MultiStyle by using MultiStyle+ which will have the multicolored Part Markers that utilize the additional styles. Otherwise, they all can operate as normal Styles.

Styles ending with + are the actual MultiStyles.

go to here +1


https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=92139&Number=675505#Post675505

VideoTrack

i only use BB Vst now.

go to here +1
https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=92139&Number=675505#Post675505