Where can I set the generated audio files to be all aligned?
I know it's more human to not align.
But some of my music is mechanical and the beginning of the sound has to be aligned.
How can I align all audio files generated by BIAB or BIAB VST.

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=675764

Apparently this was discussed in the past. But looking at the picture shown above, there appears to be a problem. Mutiple beats off the grid line is hot humanization, it is poor timing.

Very simple: you unlock the magnetism and you align tiptop. Are you sure they're not anacrouses?

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=675764

I thought the 2022 new version will have a function to adjust whether it is humanized or not.
Because I'm doing electronic music and I don't want to make a little sound earlier

thanks. Where is this option in BIAB? Is it possible to tell me where to set it or preferably give me a screenshot.

good point Mark and MoultiPass. swingbabymix obviously has a digital delay unit set to slapback echo after 12 months.

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=675764

Can you just trim it ?

I guess at this point it’s like singing traditional favorites around the campfire. One kicks it off, others recognize a “classic” and join in.

But it’s only 3 months.

my apologies - in the UK we put the date and month the other way round so i thought it was last year. seems the OP's attention span is even shorter!

Not sure where you are seeing this is the same problem.
2022 just launched, I'm here to ask a question about aligning audio to see if 2022 is new for support, any questions?
Are you not going to eat tomorrow? You won't eat tomorrow because you ate today?

You don't look at your phone today because you checked your phone yesterday?
I paid for the software, and I asked the question in use on the forum. Do I still need to be supervised by you? Are you a forum administrator? Or are you the boss of BIAB?

Or is it stipulated here that questions about the BIAB 2022 version cannot be asked?
Or are you the dictator here?
Is your attitude good for the BIAB forum?
Is it the same when you communicate with others in reality?
I originally wanted to recommend BIAB and the forum to my friends, but now I need to think about it

All I've done is point out that you asked this exact same question 3 months ago, and got a lot of responses, some of them quite lengthy, from a half dozen people. The thread went on for days. At the end, you appeared to be happy with a particular editing technique offered you.

Now it's like that all never happened.

Your question in this post – right down to the screenshot – is virtually identical to the earlier one.

I would ask, "Why?" but I understand your explanation is, "Oh, that question was about the 2021 version, this question is about the 2022 version."

Best wishes for a bountiful harvest.

I have had years of that, that is why Biab was stuck in the past for so loooooong, that's why I go off these days.

The pic below is the actual section an positions the item are place in for musical timing. For whatever purpose you need it to start on the bar, like for use as a loop, I can do that in Reaper with the original track data by setting the start point further in the item so as to snap to the bar but keep the rest of the item in timing.

So with the new 2022 version coming, can I stop asking if it's possible to get the audio to be strictly aligned?

You were satisfied with your meal last night, so you don't need to eat today?
You are satisfied with your meal today, so you don't need to eat again tomorrow?
Do you get along with people like this in real life?

Do you wish there would be no questions asked in the BIAB forum?
Because the answer is in the manual? Don't look at the PDF yourself?
Do you want the BIAB forum to disappear completely?
Should you go to the hospital?

I get that this is a metaphor for your "hunger for knowledge", but the situations are very different. You have to keep eating, every day, or you'll die. On the other hand, if you ask a question, and people answer it, it can be helpful to keep track of that information for future use.


I saw that you said this to Bob but quickly deleted it, so I was surprised to see it again. Over here, we would say "take your Prozac" or something. It's considered rude.

Are they the same questions or are you missing what the story is, is it going over the top of your head ?

I know users the thought for sure swingbaby was a spam bot.
Why was I able to help him, maybe I should of let my personality judgement kick in and attack him ? That is the best thing to do, if you don't understand something, attack it !!! The Blind Leading The Blind.

If you can't turn you personality judgement off and tune into the person on a higher level, then you are easily led by the blind and follow the blind you will remain in the pit where those following the blind end up.

I am a BIAB customer, I paid for it, I encountered some problems during use, I came to the forum to ask, this is a normal thing.
What qualifications do you have to interrupt this communication?
Even if I ask the question repeatedly, it's my right.
I succeeded in exporting MP3 today, but not tomorrow. Can I ask?
I'm not successful again next month, let me ask, can't I?
who are you? Why do you always prevent our customers from communicating with BIAB normally?
Are you the boss of BIAB?

Of course it is.
It's also our right to walk away from your questions if we wish.

Most people on these fora are just ordinary people, like you, who have learned about the program and try to help. We often spend time trying to see what answer you need and trying to assure that we give an appropriate answer.

We have an expression in England, that probably has parallels elsewhere: "biting the hand that feeds you".

I also recognise that as you and we often work "in translation", that sometimes those translations say thing differently from what was meant.

It doesn't matter if you don't answer.
The problem is that some people don't discuss the problem, but restrict the behavior of others like managers.
I don't know who gave him such power.
Or is he working at BIAB, specifically responsible for preventing others from communicating.

A new clue: uncheck Intro and you should be fine.

Question: Is this alignment issue occurring on the main BiaB program or the DAW plugin?

It think if you go back to the origial thread reference at the beginning, this is BIAB audio tracks moved to a DAW or, for all I know, this could be a screen shot from BIAB audio editing window. I can't tell for sure.

Having said that, and just guessing, I think something is wrong with the track timing. If I saw those hits off the grid beat I would investigate.

Dan, I agree, but I'm just trying to make sure we're all on the same page. There may be some advice that has a separate relevance? I don't now for sure.

I don’t know if it was mentioned yet but it’s perfectly normal for some instruments to slip in ahead of others. In my Brazilian jazz songs, the guitar always enters early. And of course there’s the drums, affected by the settings in Count-in/Metronome.

Ya Matt, of course that makes sense. Its just I have never seen it in BIAB audio. Perhaps Swing could provide the actual BIAB style so we could verify at the source.

I made a song, just a C chord in the style below. I exported the audio to Logic and took this screenshot. The "misalignment" is perfectly normal – remember, we're looking at differences of a fraction of a second.

****** Song Summary *************
Key=C, Tempo 60
Style is _SLOWBAL.STY
RealTracks in style: ~732:Bass, Acoustic, Jazz Ballad Sw 060
RealTracks in style: ~742:Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm Jazz Ballad Sw 060
RealDrums in Style: JazzTerryClarke^02-a,b:Brushes

AFAICS, the fundamental issue is that SBM wants the audio "strictly aligned with the beat" for his modern electronic music, but I believe he's often he's using RealTrack which often will not do that. Real musicians put their own expression into the playing, louder of softer, ahead or behind the beat, with pitch bends or not, grace notes & flams and so on. SBM appears to want those musicians to play to his rigid timing, but mostly those musicians neither can nor will play to perfect time.

I've watched so many "modern electronic music" creators and even when they record MIDI, usually the first thing they do is quantize it. Instant rigid timing.

I think there may well be a fundamental disconnect in expectations here. Most(?) of us want natural-sounding music, SBM wants rigid timing.

SBM can get his rigid timing by cropping the leading sound, or by sliding the sounds, or by using quantized MIDI, but he wants BiaB to do that for him "out of the box".

If PGM include further modern styles that may well happen on those styles, but it probably should not do that to non-modern-dance styles. They're different from natural playing and, IMHO, they must stay different.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think not.

OK, that makes perfect sense. I examined this style and while the time can be expanded to a large degree to show the "off timing", this is just natural. In other words, this is not quantized and maintains a very human feel.

thanks for clarifying.

It would be unseemly of me to post a link, but at this point in the past, discussion turned to audio quantization. It's clear that this is what he wants, for BIAB to slide audio around to align it.

He says he expected BIAB 2022 to have such a feature, so perhaps someone can speak to that specific question.

If I remember correctly he is using Studio One. I believe it will fix it.

...Deb

This is probably slightly crossed wires or similar, but I would interpret that to mean the quantising to a bit value effect of conversion of an analogue signal to a digital signal, which is not what I meant. What I meant was that the software adjusts all MIDI notes to be precisely on the beat timing.

I was using the term as it was used in the 2021 thread, to refer to that same kind of alignment, but for audio instead of MIDI.

OK, I found that and I see what you mean. I think there's an ambiguity in the use of the term. The videos I watched are, as you say, changing the alignment of the audio signal beat to match the system beat timing.

We do mean to achieve the same outcome, audio beats precisely aligned on the timing beats.

Personally, as an electronics engineer, I think "audio quantisation" is the wrong term, for various reasons that it's better to just skip over. I'll try to remember that the expression may used differently in a musical timing context.

SONAR had a term they used for this, to align disparate tracks so the beats match up. That function is quite apart from whether those tracks start at exactly the same time.

"AudioSnap"?

Logic has "Flex Time", which I've used to sync its robot drummer to a recorded human performance. The obvious way is to vary the robot tempo to track the human, but one could also "dehumanize" the recording by forcing it to track the robot.

Yes, thanks. AudioSnap.

There are a bunch of plugins to adjust timing of tracks, particularly to adjust for phase problems. Waves InSync and others.

the original question was about aligning the start of wav file audio patterns with rigid bar lines in a DAW which the OP sees as a problem with the way he wants to create music. the identical question 3 months ago - admittedly in the context of BIAB 2021 - established that this is just how BIAB and RealTracks work. on the basis of 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' this remains unchanged in 2022. there have been many suggestions as to how to work around the issue but I can't see BIAB changing the way it works now or in the future.

manipulation in the DAW is still the answer.

Thanks Bob. A huge tip of the hat to you and the community's efforts to resolve this. Manipulation in the DAW is indeed the answer.

That said...
Recently I've been dragging the tracks I prepare in BIAB to Reaper. Just going with what works best from me, I've found two ways I am able to reproduce the misalignment shown in the OP's screen capture:

1) When dragging from the radio button in BIAB to the track in Reaper, if my Reaper play cursor is not at the very start of the track when I let go of the mouse, that track is not aligned with the others.

2) If I generate a track in BIAB, drag it to Reaper, then generate the next track at a slightly different tempo then drag that to Reaper, I'll get misaligned tracks. The tempos for each track have to be the same, and my tempo map in Reaper has to match from - start to end - how I have the tempos set for the whole song in BIAB.

Again, manipulating the tracks in the DAW is easy.

I find the nature of RealTracks makes this pretty easy. Most of the time I do a cut n' paste of RT audio in Logic, I expect the edit to sound awful – and it doesn't. This stuff is created from pieces put together super craftily, so it lends itself extremely well to being dismantled and reassembled.

And if I see some waveform "sticking out" at the beginning of a phrase, well, I have an idea of how to handle that bad boy.

Years ago I did a lot of theatre sound using reel-to-reel tape and a razor blade.
I's amazing how much one can cut from the front of a starting beat and it still sounds OK. A short fade-in (cf angled razor cut) masks surprisingly well.

Gordon, me too about the reel to reel.

As a teen, I had multiple reel to reel recorders - Dad had an electronics store. My brothers and I recorded all of Richard Nixon's speeches. Edited them to have him admit to every crime imaginable. Even had "Hail to the Chief" playing in the background.

...Deb

As a wee sprout of 12 or so, I once took a borrowed reel tape recorder and conducted the following visionary experiment:

I recorded myself on a guitar, playing a couple of seconds of a C note, picked tremelo. Then I recorded myself playing a couple of seconds of a D note, and so on until I had all the notes of a scale.

Then I cut up the tape and spliced together a little piece of C, a little piece of D, etc.

When I played it, it sounded like a scale!!!

Too bad I never took it beyond that...