Basically, muting an instrument in bar 1 then setting it back to normal doesn't "keep" in BIAB.

For details, see below (tried resurrecting the thread when this first occurred not having to create a new post,but...):

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=743000#Post743000

I just tried that with a test song, and the mute settings definitely did save and after reloading the song, the mute settings still worked.
Steps:
- Using F5, Mute Bass and Drums on beat 1 then select Back to Normal on beat 3.
- Play song.
- Save Song.
- Open a different song and play it.
- Open original song and play it, Mute settings worked as expected.

Presumably, you are using F5 the same way?

Yes, I did (do). Try it with guitar 4 in FACETED. Mute Bar 1 - set back to normal in Bar 2.

If you looked at the old thread, this was an intermittent problem which was eventually addressed with a patch.

I just tried that with the FACETED demo song (saving it to a different name & folder) and the Mute worked and still worked when the song was reloaded. However, after multiple re-generations and tests, I was able to repeat your findings. I did get the Guitar 4 to play a single lead-in note - but only on the very first beat of the bar.

I immediately froze the song and now when I press play, this is now repeatable.

Confirmed.

Awesome! Thanks a bunch.

Actually, checking further, on my system it is playing a lead-in riff on the last beat of the count-in, not the first beat of bar 1.

I don't know how to mute bar zero

That's a weird one fer sure.

Mike,

I often mute sounds in bar 1 and I've had no problem. When BIAB starts doing things differently from what it used to do, my plan of attack is to "Return to MOST factory settings" (under the Options menu). If that doesn't work, I then try "Return to ALL settings".

That might be worth trying if you haven't done so already.

Noel

This is what seems to be the problem:

Trevor, I think not muting bar 0 notes is normal and expected using F5 to mute.
A. Bar Settings F5 does not allow selecting Bar 0. Bar Settings begin at Bar 1 and select and apply any changes to that entire measure but have never extended prior to or beyond a selected measure.
B. Since neither bar 0 and bar 2 are selected, both should play. Only the muted range (one bar) should mute.

The Pickup notes can be erased from the Audio Edit Window. Currently, there's two out of range messages before it takes, but a third press of ok erases the notes.

Charlie, yes, your points A: and B: are absolutely correct.
For point A, you have identified a significant limitation of the program: "Bar Settings F5 does not allow selecting Bar 0".
For point B, well, you have stated the obvious: "Since neither bar 0 and bar 2 are selected, both should play"

However, because F5 works for all bars 1 onwards, and music can be generated in bar 0, I genuinely suggest that F5 should be able to be applied in bar 0 also. After all, it is a valid bar, because the program itself knows it can generate notes in that bar.

Yes, the user can go to the trouble of erasing it in Audio Edit afterwards, but F5 should allow it to be muted in any bar that the song can generate it in.

The proper fix should be that the program allows muting of any bar that it produces music in - Simple. No workarounds required.

It would be a significant improvement if the program just could work within its own guidelines.

Thanks, Trevor. Your observation and logic makes sense and I agree 100% with what you stated.

@Noel: thanks for the suggestion, but factory reset does not get rid of the problem.

<< However, because F5 works for all bars 1 onwards, and music can be generated in bar 0, I genuinely suggest that F5 should be able to be applied in bar 0 also. After all, it is a valid bar, because the program itself knows it can generate notes in that bar. >>

I completely agree and only said that to mute bar -1- and bar -0- or the following bar -2- not muting is normal behavior.

-0- being a valid bar, yes, commands F5 and other commands should recognize that bar as valid and an update is in order.

My post was to only address the stated issue of the pickup notes in bar -0- and how to silence it by muting or erasing it. Pickup notes in bar -0- is not new and is something that BIAB has accommodated for years. It's previously been addressed from the Audio Editor Window in BIAB or by exporting to and from a DAW. Erasing it in BIAB is fast and easy and takes 5 seconds or less.

Thanks Charlie. I attempted to show my 'frustration' that bar zero could not be muted. I should have simply stated that the program won't allow a mute on bar zero. I'm going off to the WishList. Who knows what might happen?

You guys have my head spinning with this discussion. I have not seen any of these issues in the past. Bar zero?, Whats that?

Then I realized I turn all that off. This still always me to have pickup notes prior to the downbeat of Bar 2 when the song starts.

I don't know if this is a solution for just another problem which I have not discovered with my workflow.

Dan

Bar zero is apparently the leadin bar which can be removed in preferences. Lead-in is intended for count-in only, not pick-up notes. Does that help? Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Yes, you're correct. It hasn't been completely uncommon for pick-up notes to be in the zero bar in the past. It's also been possible to create Pick-up notes somewhere else in the Chord Chart then move/paste it into bar 0.

No problem. It wasn't my intention to interfere with that issue with Mute only to explain how to mute it until it does get fixed.

Dan, I kinda think you need to look for another tree
The program itself generates pickup notes in bar zero, which can be quite appealing. They are a great way to lead in to a song. However, if you don't want that particular instrument to play until later in the song (in this case a lead guitar), there should be a way to mute that instrument until you want it. Currently, you can only mute it from bar 1 onwards. So it plays the pickup notes in bar zero and then immediately goes quiet. It's different from the drum count-in. Hope this clarifies
Trev

Only partly...

Can you tell me how "...The program itself generates pickup notes in bar zero"? Is this a specific style? Or a soloist feature? Cause I assumed you put those notes there via the piano roll or the notation window. But what do I know?

The program definitely put them there. The RealTracks performer will have played them in the recording, for sure.
This was from style _FACETED, but I've heard it from other styles as well.

When you want those notes there, they sound really excellent. Here's another example of the pickup notes being placed there by the program:

Thanks, I am looking at some of those examples now. Is use of the 0 bar for a lead in, new to 2023? Why have we never seen this issue before? I confirm I can't use F5 on this 0 bar. Never seen this before.

I will keep my eye on this going foward.

Carry on.

Well, no, but it depends on the specific RealTrack, and the particular generation. For instance, while helping out Mike to find his problem, I regenerated _FACETED style at least a dozen times (more actually) before I found a generation that included the pickup notes in the lead-in bar (bar zero).

It's my understanding that not all RealTracks have pickup notes and not all variations of RealTracks have pickup notes.