I am using RealBand 2011 and each time I open the program each instrument MIDI Track reverts back to the MIDI Out: GS Wave SW Synth, Port 1.
I have gone into Preferences / 6-MIDI / MIDI Devices…. And have them set as follows:
Output Drivers: Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Syth (is highlighted blue) - Microsoft MIDI Mapper is not highlighted.
Re-Route MIDI Playback to default Dxi/VSTiSynth is checked.
Default DXi/VSTi Synth: ForteDXi Plug-in
Time Period, Visual Delay, Audio Delay I left at default.
To set each track to ForteDXi Plug-in, I have to select one of the MIDI instrument Tracks and manually select Forte DXi Plug in (Default). Once that is done, I click on that same modified track and select set all MIDI tracks to Forte DXi Plug in (Default).
Is there a way to have each MIDI instrument Track automatically assigned to Forte DXi Plug In when I open RealBand so that I do not have to manually set each individual MIDI track?
Thank you !
In the audio prefs have the box checked to use a DXi/VSTi then choose the Forte. It'll be the default playback for all tracks.It'll still say "Out: GS Wave SW Synth, Port 1.". Just something you get used to.Not a good answer.If you go and assign the Forte manually to each track you are going to MASSIVELY load up the Ram with multiple instances of this HUGE sample set.
He is not loading multiple instances if he points every track at the same synth, which I think he did.
He was just doing it manually, instead of having the synth load automatically.
Remember to save the song once after assigning the default synth.
I would set up default DXi as John mentioned, save song, close RB and reopen to see if the settings 'stick'.
You know....I bet it has been using the Forte Synth all of the time. It was the OUT GS Wave S Synth, Port 1 not updating to the Forte Synth Default verbage that through me off.
I loaded a MIDI file into RealBand. OUT GS Wave S Synth, Port 1 was displayed for each of the tracks. I played the song and listened to the instruments. Then I changed each track to Forte Synth Default. I again played the song and listened to the instruments. NO CHANGE in the sound. It was the "non-updating" of the verbage (GS Wave to Forte) that through me off.
Thank you very much for your replies!!
Now back to having some more fun.
Best Regards,
Mark
I chose to setup the synth each time since if you chose re-route To DXi/VSTi synth option it will not send the data track to my TC Helicon harmonizer. I just setup the synth for the needed tracks, and add RTs as needed and hit save.
Couple extra sets but the TC unit kicks in and adds vocal enhancements to taste.
I know this is not your question but illustrates that there is a reason for these options, and gives ideas.
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He is not loading multiple instances if he points every track at the same synth, which I think he did.
He was just doing it manually, instead of having the synth load automatically.
I wasn't clear on that. If you remember Bob there was, and not sure if it's still an issue , a problem with RB notreleasing DXi/VSTi that were manually assigned to tracks.Each time you opened a song it would load the sample set over and over again until you got an "out of Mem" error. This was confirmed by Jeff of PG and Norm from Coyote.I have never seen any documentation that this has ever been fixed. Since the change in the Forums a lot of the old articles are no longer available so couldn't provide a link..Just be forewarned.
To be clear here and avoid confusion what I did was to change the first track to Forte DXi by double clicking on the track, highlighting Port 1 Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth and then scrolled down to Forte Plug in (Default). I double clicked on that same track again which is now a Forte Synth track and selected Set All MIDI Tracks to Forte Plug In (Default) and ALL of the track now display Forte Plug In (Default).
I hope this clears things up on what I did.
I really appreciate your responses and helping me figure this out.
Best Regards,
Mark
Mark,
I have found no evidence that the issue I mention has ever been fixed.It may not affect you. It depends on how you use RB. Here's what happens:
If you leave any DXi/VSTi synths in OTHER then slot 15 the default and then save each time the song is loaded the sample set gets loaded into memory. After loading about 11 songs this way the memory becomes full and you get an out of mem error.
What's supposed to happen is the samples get loaded once.It'll never show up though unless you play at least 11 or so songs in a row without shutting down the program that have synths in other then the default. BTW it won't show up with the smaller synths as the sample set is so small. The Forte set is huge and fills mem fast.
I found the old article. It's long but you'll get the idea. Andrew confirms the issue at the end.
Out Of Memory
Guess not. Old stuff has been deleted.
John I really appreciate your replies on this issue I am having and helping me better understand the RB system.
I just need clarification on this:
You stated earlier "In the audio prefs have the box checked to use a DXi/VSTi then choose the Forte. It'll be the default playback for all tracks.It'll still say "Out: GS Wave SW Synth, Port 1.".
In the PREFERENCES / AUDIO area, I could not find a box to check; however in the PREFERENCES / 6-MIDI / MIDI DEVICES / MIDI Driver Setup window, I have checked Reroute MIDI Playback to default Dxi/VSTi Synth and Default DXi/VSTi Synth is set to ForteDXi Plugin Is this what you were referring to in the earlier post above?
I wonder if changing all of my instruments in each track to Forte is the reason why my CPU usage is always around 80% and sometime peaks at 100% when I use RB and BIAB. I will have to experiment with this further and listen to the sounds generated to see if I can get the CPU usage down below 50%. What happens when the CPU peaks at 100% is the instrument sounds begin to pop and crackle. This occurs also when rendering. I have to keep an eye out on that CPU usage.
Just for FYI purposes; I am using a DELL Dimension PC, WINDOWS XP Home Edition with SP3, 1G RAM (where I see you use 2G RAM), CPU 2.5GHz.
Again, thank you for your replies and have a HAPPY NEW YEAR ! ! !
Mark
Another gig of Ram will likely help a bunch.
Just my opinion
2 gigs makes a big difference
Now I know what to get with my BestBuy Gift certificate.
My wife said a couple days ago that I was using 1/2 my RAM all of the time and I told her BIAB requires 512K, but NOOO (me talking)...it shouldn't make a difference because I have 2G RAM in the PC. (In reality I only have 1G RAM)...
I just hate it when she is right! LOL
Thanks Rob and I know it will make a TON of difference adding the additional RAM.
All the best,
Mark
...and thank you too rharv....I did not see your post above Rob's post. Sorry....
I just noticed Bob's post as well, we must have typed at the same tme. It is disturbing to me slightly since if this was a gun fight rather than a forum thread Bob would be having a drink in the bar while the undertaker was measuring me for a pine box.
See both were accurate, but he was a tad faster!!
Time stamp says 17 minutes .. mighty slow trigger finger ya got there Robh..
Far from a simulpost
I've found it's Processor that makes the big difference in BIAB/RB.
Mark yes that's the right check box in midi page.
BTW I only use the Forte for piano and when I'm satisfied I convert it to audio and unload ALL VSTi/DXi synths.The rest of the tracks are RTs.
I have over 200 songs and use it live and has never missed a beat.I use 8 separate outs as well with 3rd party KX drivers. I love to live dangerous.
My XP machine, with the Athlon 2.3 gHz processor (single core) has two gig of RAM and runs many tracks and plugins without problems. His processor is faster than mine, but he lacks the RAM.
The key is *available* RAM. Having 1 gig may be fine unless only a small portion is free. I noticed a huge increase in performance when I added the second gig.
Adding a second drive for the incoming audio was the second most noticable improvement here, but that only applies to recording multiple audio tracks.
It has to be the RAM size that is giving me my problem.
Looking at Windows Task Manager I have:
Total Physical Memory = 1039344
Available = 364534
System Cache = 498316
BIAB requires 512 and I am WELL BELOW the system requirements.
It is funny....BIAB requires 512k and one would think "it will run fine....haha...I have 1G memory". Little did I realize that when all systems are running, that 1G RAM is just not enough.
Guys thanks so much for ALL of your valuable input here. I learned a lot and really appreciate it.
Now it's time to open RB & BIAB, breakout the sax, and have some fun ! ! !
All the best,
Mark
Bob, your system is very similar to mine. AMD chip XP single core and 2 gigs, with a delta card. Yours if i remember is a 1010, and mine is a 24/96.
I can track a solid 12 tracks without worry 15 if i go easy on effects.
I can easily get 20- 30 tracks with about 50 FX
I've had 24 tracks and recorded 8 more at once (making 32 total). Temp audio is directed to a second drive. That's all that machine does though; audio and video. I think I only have 20 processes running at startup. It's pretty streamlined for audio.
I use it less for video now that I have a dual-core Win7 machine. It's so much faster processing video.
Since i only track for me, i have not tried that big of a project. I have tracked 20 tracks twice, and had no problems but 12 to 15 is a typical project for me. I have everything on the second drive a 320 gig, and the basics on the 60 gig "C" drive. The two drives are on separate IDE ports on the MB, something that to me seemed to smooth out the process a bit.
I was thinking more in line with loading RTs vs playing a bunch of tracks with effects. The latter needing lots of RAM.
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Since i only track for me, i have not tried that big of a project. I have tracked 20 tracks twice, and had no problems but 12 to 15 is a typical project for me. I have everything on the second drive a 320 gig, and the basics on the 60 gig "C" drive. The two drives are on separate IDE ports on the MB, something that to me seemed to smooth out the process a bit.
I also think the drives being set as desribed works best. Both set to master on their respective IDE channel.
Well folks the 2G of RAM came today and is now installed in the my Dell Dimension PC. As you recall I discovered that my PC has been running with 1G for years.
I just upgraded to BIAB 2011 ULTRAPAK and tried to play songs with REALTRACKS. During the playing of these songs (REALTRACKS Demos), my CPU usage went up to 100% and the sound clipped and chopped.
With the 2G RAM, all is great. I play the REALTRACKS DEMOS without any clipping now. Even the time it takes to render songs to WAV is drastically increased.
EVERYTHING IS BETTER ! ! !
Moral of the story.....BIAB 2011 needs a minimum of 2G RAM in order to work (and I am sure the CPU speed has a lot to do with it to. Mine is at 2.53GHz)
Thanks so much for your invaluable responses / feedback.
All the best,
Mark.