Is there a Mac 2019 Beta available to test?

Not yet, should be close though, hopefully 64bit and a Biab Plugin version like windows.

I'd certainly like to see it when ready.

Yea what the heck?! The MAC version usually comes out a bit after the Windows but this is getting a little ridiculous. Im tired of seeing the "needs updated for compatibility" warning... and the "recent" disappearing (a known flaw)

Im assuming that the new version will fix these these things... love the program and use it every day but its still pretty cumbersome in ways! So I always get the upgrade and ready to get it if it ever comes out for Mac????

:-(

Just an ETA would work for me. I'm planning to upgrade this year.

One can always hope. Normally it's around February for Windows and May for the Mac but this version will have to be a major upgrade—perhaps not features (we can always hope) but a simple recompile won't work.

Some parts of the GUI never really made the transition to OS X. Not an issue for old users like I who remember System & Finder 4 (mid 1980s) but it's way past being long in the tooth.

Indeed so. Time is ticking, as the new OS is now in the hands of early adopters, who get to pick whether to use the new OS or BIAB.

But frankly, if PGmusic was not aware of how important the 64 bit update was (which would seem very unlikely to me), at this point, additional pressure would not likely to help much.

This is not exactly an overnight job, especially for an application that is likely to use quite a few legacy system APIs (the application code, in my experience, is far less of a problem; they already made it through the Mac PowerPC -> Intel transition and run on Intel 64 bit for Window, so they should know all the tricky areas).

No it is not.

It's in the hands of developers. No one in their right mind would install the first developer beta of any OS onto a machine where actual work needs to be done. Although always true, the certain knowledge that many apps will flat out not work in this release should be its own caution.

Now, when the Public Beta is released, expect a small flood of those who just haven't been paying attention to start posting that BIAB doesn't work anymore.

The "They ought to..." threads have been going on for a couple of years now. Yes, really. I agree that they should have done this in 2012 or 2015... certainly in the 2018 release that came out after the announcement that OS 10.15 would drop support for 32 bit (Apple announced that for Yosemite, too, then kicked the can). They haven't. Now that the 10.15 beta is out, it makes perfect sense not to release BIAB 2019 till PG Music knows it's going to work. Time to get over it.

True "early adopters" are those who move to the OS around release date.

Beta doesn't count and if you insist on running it, you should really have it installed on a removable external. We'll all be reading that "Xxxxx doesn't run on the Catalina beta..." over and over and over and... but much more so this year. Like everyone's support dept., there's no harm in ignoring that nonsense. No one supports running apps over OS Anything.beta — ever.

The last Application bloodbath of this magnitude was when OS 10.5 was released with no Classic Mode support. We can go back to the G3/System 8, System 7.1 (that was huge) and so on...

BTW, I have an Apple Developer's account and spent some time at the WWDC this week. So far, nothing runs well in the current beta if at all... as usual... but worse. I'll have to spend around $1,500 on software updates before I can even think of going there for real. I will have been running the Developers' and Public Beta from an external for a long time before I make the plunge, however.

The Win version didn't have to go to 64bit, it was the Mac that made it.
I love Mac but it just &^%$me off every time I update it something don't run anymore or you have to get the next version for something else to run.
Right up to Win10 you can run Win95 apps from 25 years ago.
I stopped at 10.9 that's it for me, through all the cats, mountain ranges and now islands there always something that don't work anymore.
It has Window's hardware now, everything should just keep working, it must be a nightmare for developers trying to keep up, how many little guys have been killed off not being able to keep up with Apple's demands ?

EDIT: I'm just downloading Digital Performer

"Important Notice for macOS Mojave (10.14) Users"

Except for people whose "actual work" involves e.g. updating apps for said new OS.

And for the most part, this group knows that there are various hitches involved in running on such new OS releases. So these are more likely to be more tolerant of initial glitches than the next waves of users.


Technically, they could have started even a bit earlier than that. I think everything they'd need was in place by 2009.


I don't think anybody is arguing for them to release a version not known to work reliably. But internal testing has its limits, and for major changes like this, it's likely that their first release will have a number of issues, and the sooner they'll learn about these, the better.


For professional reasons, I tend to switch most of my usage to each year's beta OS starting around WWDC. I'm sure that the end of 32 bit support will cause more issues than usual this year, but apart from that, the OS seems in comparative relative shape to past years at the same time.

Despite the challenges of working on a beta OS and a beta for BIAB I would like to be a beta user and see how the plug-in to Logic performs

uggg.. i come on about every 2 weeks to see.. and NOTHING...crap... years more than half over and NADA for the MAC users? maybe an update from the company? PLEASE take my money. :-)

Yendog, haven't you been reading what the Applemeisters in this thread have written? Apple is working on a new OS. How can PGM come out with a new Mac version of Biab before Apple is done with the OS? You do know OS stands for Operating System, right? Nothing works without a clean, tested OS.

Apple releases a new version of OSX every year - this is not some sort of new OS that PG Music have to wait and see what it needs. Apple have been very clear about the fact the all apps will need to be 64 bit for almost ten years, yet PG Music have continued to build on an archaic technical platform that cannot be “ported” to 64 bit. They should have rebuilt BiaB on the Cocoa framework many years ago, but apparently couldn’t be bothered. They should also tell their customers their roadmap for bringing BiaB into the 21st century. Every other successful software company does that sort of thing but BiaB’s customers, despite paying top dollar for the software, are left in the dark.

I'm as anxious as anyone for the '19 version on Mac, but I'd rather endure the wait than get a buggy release. I'm running the beta of the new Mac OS on my other computer, and it's been unusually glitchy - and I've been in the beta program for a number of years. I can't recall a prior release that caused as many conflicts and odd quirks as this one.

Unrelated to BIAB, but I'm running the new iOs beta on my phone as well, and it's a train wreck so far. First time I've ever regretted upgrading early.

My thoughts exactly !

- Jay

I normally have an iMac set aside for the Developer Beta which I install on day 1.

This year I bought an iMac Pro. While I could install the 10.15 beta on one of my external Thunderbolt drives, I just didn't see the point. Like 10.8.2 and 10.4 before it, I knew this was a watershed release — except I don't have any active development going on. I decided to let the rest of the world work this one out; I'll upgrade after the official release.

Yea... never on my iPhone. Now that I gig on my iPad, I decided to pass on the iOS 13 beta completely. Pointless to install it on my Touch 6.

I have to say, having been running the beta of 10.15 for a while now, that A) I don't think it's a huge leap forward, and B) what changes/enhancements that have been made aren't ones I like at all. It almost makes me wonder if Apple is getting to the point of outsmarting themselves.

Having recently bought BiaB 2018 0n Mac, while I am interested if there is a new version, having seen what the new Mac OS has as new features I am now thinking just stay with BiaB 2018. It does more than I ever imagined and will probably take me until BiaB 2020 to fully get the hang of.

Tim.

For some of us, not remaining current isn't an option.

OTOH, I do have older iMacs that I could use ... but I like my available desk space and don't want to give it up.

I'm still on high sierra because I am scared of my plugins and hardware not being able to work on my Mac.

Still no beta, I suppose they need to get it working on Catalina as it's 64 bit only.
I think what will come common place is multiboot OS as not everyone can get a 64 bit replacement app for what 32 bit ones they have.
I don't know if there's any extra bays in the newer iMacs to add hard drives and how easy they are to get to, I know the iMac I had, to change the hard drive I had to take the whole thing apart and LCD out to put a bigger drive in it (or change the cpu or clean the cpu fan).
You can partition the drive but separate drives would be better, if you have usb 3.0 you could boot on externals.

That bit of wishful thinking is never going to happen. Apple announced in 2011 that they were moving to 64 bit only—it just took longer than their original prediction of 2015.

The Keynote was pretty clear on this. PCIe based additional drives won't be cheap but they'll be easy on the new Mac Pro—take a few minutes. There are reasons to stick with external storage as I will explain.
So... you don't actually have a Mac anymore?

A lot has gone on with the Mac OS over the last 3 years.

Since High Sierra, do not partition a boot drive for multiple OS. Do not install multiple OS on separate drives if mounted internally. It's a really bad idea. If you've already done this, you should undo it.

Quite ok to install other OS on removable external drives. If, however, you normally boot from an external drive, do not have any OS on the internal drive.

Since OS 10.13 and APFS, the only way to get to the Repair Partition is to boot with the Command r keys down. If there is more than one copy of the OS installed anywhere in the system, the Repair Partition becomes unavailable. Not an issue if other OS are mounted on removable drives—remove those drives before accessing Repair on the boot drive.

A non APFS volume cannot see or access APFS. Switching from one to the other requires Option boot, no big deal. Only the Sierra and older Repair partitions will be visible, however.

The reason this is important is because of APFS Snapshots. Think of Snapshots as a complete Time Machine Restore in case something goes wrong — except that it takes 1 minute (iMac Pro) to 5 minutes (2010 iMac) to restore a 2TB boot volume instead of 8–10 hours.

I test and download a lot for various reasons. One never knows when you might get into trouble with this. With Snapshots, I'm secure in the absolute knowledge that I can do a complete restore losing less than the last hour of my work — or that I can go back in time further if necessary. It's my choice.

I've tried to find a link that explain this in better detail without trying to sell you some crapware that you don't need. Here's an old article I wrote where I answered questions.
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=64689

All those issues I covered in the beta forum.
As I said if you think you can't then you can't, but I think I can so I just do it. You just need to loosen up, relax max, and don't limit yourself because of what someone else is limited to, go beyond their confines.

is anyone here a part of the Mac beta program and if so can you even confirm that?

Yes it's all good.

Hmmmm...

I though the first rule of beta was the same as Fight Club:

You don't talk about it.

Mike Man what's your problem ? Why did I hear your exact quote in my head the second I posted the statement, why ???.
The "information" I posted is not an issue.
You contribute absolutely nothing around here looking back at your posts.
All I do around here is help other users, come up with ideas, workarounds and development. I have contributed a ton of stuff over the years and go way out of my way to help people that's from going through so much crap, suffering, life support machines, dying, leaving my body going into absolute peace, love, knowing when I was younger. That's why I can pick things up and absorb them and it's not good picking up your state of conciseness it's very negative and destructive and makes me want to give up.

Where did it start Mike ?
Did I do something that you were so adamant was impossible ?
Get out of your fricken OSist crap I can use any OS it's not a problem for me, when you leave this world you'll see it's all crap, don't wait till then lift your consciousnesses up to a higher level now !!!!!
If you can't learn from it, have zero respect and want to continue this crap I'd rather not be here honestly.
Just let me know Mike.





I am all for having a discussion — but that isn't it.




There's the impossible working without issue, ask yourself.

Check the timeline. My post was two days later when I finally read it. If you think you shouldn't have posted on the beta program, perhaps you would have been right not to.

As to commenting on things you imagine in your head—or much of the nonsense contained in your posts—I think I'll pass.

I picked it up 2 days before and was spot on. If I was imaging it in my head why was it spot on and why was it from you of all users.
You are hanging out to learn, I tried to help you to make it easy but your negativity it preventing it, so the more you resist the stronger the hit is required for you to move pass it.







Ask yourself man, where do you get off.