Scaler 2.0

Posted by: MusicStudent

Scaler 2.0 - 02/01/20 10:27 AM

The smoke has cleared a bit from the end of year sales. Now it is time to look forward to new "stuff". I have had my eye on this one for a while. And now I see a new version is on the horizon. This type of stuff is right up my ally. Maybe yours too?


"Plugin Boutique is finalising the release date for either February 14th or end of February 2020. Ed and the team are close to finalising the latest beta (Beta 4) which I am using confidently in my day to day composition and production. Were are getting mighty close and the final product is much more advanced than even we had hoped for - not to mention stable."

https://forum.scalerplugin.com/t/scaler-2-0-update/1289/11
Posted by: F.M.M.

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 02/01/20 12:24 PM

hi Dan I have 1.8.1 and I have the bete scaler 2 b4 love it just scatching the surface on the plugin its worth its money it works great on other dawns its not biab were it gives you a whole song layout but its good thanks eric
Posted by: Trygve Larsen

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 02/02/20 04:23 PM

Can Scaler do chord interpretations from Midi files, better then BiaB?
Just curious about that... smile
Posted by: Rustyspoon#

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 02/02/20 08:53 PM

MusicStudent,
Thank you for bringing up Scaler. It is a very cool plugin to explore and experiment with chords, scales, inversions you name it.

Trygve, the new beta does detect chords from files. Scaler should be released within next couple of weeks. You can grab a demo to try it out.

I recently started a "wishlist" topic for PG to either update existing chord builder to something similar as most of the theory is already in BIAB or take a more universal approach and integrate chording apps, such as this one into BIAB workflow. Please support that if you find it
useful.

P.S. MusicStudent, are you using Scaler in BIAB or DAW? If BIAB, can you please share your setup/workflow?

The biggest downside for me is that this particular (great) program does not come as a standalone, only as VST.
Posted by: Trygve Larsen

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 02/02/20 11:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#

I recently started a "wishlist" topic for PG to either update existing chord builder to something similar as most of the theory is already in BIAB or take a more universal approach and integrate chording apps, such as this one into BIAB workflow. Please support that if you find it
useful.
Right away sir ! wink
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 02/08/20 09:41 AM

Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#

The biggest downside for me is that this particular (great) program does not come as a standalone, only as VST.


I use tone2's nanohost... but you knew that grin
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 03/29/20 08:51 AM

Just an update guys.

Scaler 2 is still promise-ware, but weeks ago I purchased V1.8 and have been working with it. Not yet made any music with it, which is the goal, but it is deep and takes some enjoyable learning.

So the other day I was given a demo copy of Scaler 2 - Beta6. This new version has gone to a whole new level. While V1.8 was generally block and arpegiated midi chord chart generation, the new version 2.0 has added a world of added midi "expressions" and tempo editing.

The development team has proven to be responsive is discussing features and wishes and I do now believe V2 will eventually launch.

So I continue to recommend that you to keep an eye on this program. I am planning on a video to show how this may integrate with other tools including BIAB and EZKeys, but that is taking some time and I have been asked not to show Scaler 2 until it launches - maybe by summer.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 04/16/20 05:01 AM

The folks over in the Scaler forum just posted:



"...OK guys, we have some news from Plugin Boutique. May 27th, 2020 is the official release date from them. We have a group marketing and software review skype set for this Friday the 17th so will be even clearer then but this looks like everything has aligned and Scaler 2 will be released on May 27th. Praise be :raised_hands: Will update with any further news."

Some of us are pretty excited. I am telling you, this program is a hidden gem. laugh
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 04/18/20 04:06 PM

What would you guys go without me... grin sit back and enjoy

https://youtu.be/eGVrscdVZm0
Posted by: MountainSide

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 04/19/20 08:19 AM

Dan, I've gone through the videos, very interesting software but still unsure how it would be used in a workflow. Could you give us a heads up on how you might be thinking about using it?

Jeff
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 04/19/20 08:57 AM

Thanks for asking. grin

Getting more of me into my music is the primary objective and I think this will help. But at the moment I have been in a learning and exploring phase with Scaler. I still have the day job so time is limited.

Hammering out a work-flow is a work-in-process. But it is coming together slowly. I envision the workflow will have Scaler integrated with Reaper, EZKeys and of course BIAB as well as my midi control keyboard. I had seen glimpses where I generated a quick chord progression in BIAB and then drag it over to Reaper where Scaler picks it up. Once in Scaler I can adjust, revise, manipulate and control (e.g., voicings, inversions... ) each chord or sections of chords to open up sounds and sequences which are currently beyond my ability to hear or create on my own. Once I have the chord sequences built I can play and hear the melodies and harmonies I create. They can be layered within Scaler or back in Reaper. Or they slip right into EZKeys which can do its thing.

First thing I have to tell you. This is not BIAB - nothing is! This music is not already made. Biggest thing for me, Scaler allows me to "hear and see" the music at its base (the chord progression). This allows me to make the music at a deeper level, not just play the music. This is a lot more effort then playing music in BIAB - but I am hoping the goals will be more satisfying and better help me reach my objective.

Oh and by the way, check out the price, this is really a no brainer for me at least.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/01/20 03:41 PM

Here I go again. New beta7 downloaded with a workflow video. Not my workflow but I am learning a thing or two.

https://forum.scalerplugin.com/t/scaler-2-workflow-video-making-an-entire-track-using-scaler/2705

BTW, I don't recall ever adding to my own thread this much. grin
It's like I am trolling myself. crazy
Posted by: lambada

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/02/20 06:05 AM

Fabulous. Does anyone use it with EZ Drummer etc?
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/02/20 07:54 AM

Originally Posted By: lambada
Fabulous. Does anyone use it with EZ Drummer etc?


Have not seen that, but.... here is EZKeys and Scaler - it could not be more simple.
Posted by: JohnJohnJohn

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/02/20 12:30 PM

Hey Dan, it looks amazing and beautifully designed. I'm still not completely clear on what all it does though. I watched part of a video where he showed how you can press one key on your MIDI keyboard and a variety of preset patterns will play. But your stated goal is to get more of you into your music. How is this achieving that goal?
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/02/20 12:58 PM

Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
Hey Dan, it looks amazing and beautifully designed. I'm still not completely clear on what all it does though. I watched part of a video where he showed how you can press one key on your MIDI keyboard and a variety of preset patterns will play. But your stated goal is to get more of you into your music. How is this achieving that goal?


J3, That is an excellent question. Thanks for asking. All I can say at this point is I am working on it. Stay tuned I am expecting a breakthrough in the weeks to come and I will get back to you on this. crazy oh, the drama of it all!
Posted by: JohnJohnJohn

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/02/20 01:04 PM

Well, I'm tempted to just go ahead and buy it because 1) it looks like a cool tool, 2) it appears very well designed, 3) the price is right and 4) your recommendation and enthusiasm!
Posted by: TheMaartian

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/02/20 02:16 PM

I don't know if the update from v1 to v2 will be free or paid, but I'll update either way. v2 looks really interesting.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/02/20 02:47 PM

According to forum chatter, V2,0 will be a paid update. They have speculated $50 - $60 USD. I put V1.8 in my cart and just let it sit there. After a couple weeks they sent be a $10 off coupon and I bought it a month or two ago. The V1.8 currently has a 30 demo which has for evaluation. They have stated the upgrade price will possible be half of full price. Version 2.0 has been a long time in the coming.
Posted by: JohnJohnJohn

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/02/20 07:01 PM

Maybe best to just wait for 2.0? I don't wanna buy it twice!
Posted by: Rustyspoon#

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/03/20 07:16 AM

Scaler 2 is a fun toy, but I do not see a direct way to incorporate in the workflow with BIAB, possibly an indirect one.
I would say this. For intermediate or hobbyist user it can accomplish 2 main goals:

1) A chord progression / chord movement reference tool. Scale explorer. It has pretty cool layout for circle of fifth, Secondary scale, Modal interchange and Mediants, Chord inversions. You can hear them and see them graphically. Build chord blocks and hear how they would sound together! That is mainly what I am after. And for this usage, I would not even insert it as a plugin to BIAB, but have it opened in NanoHost as a stand alone program so when working on progression in BIAB it serves as a reference tool. It has onboard sounds of good quality, more than good enough for reference.

2)Chord pattern builder and arpeggio trigger (chords can be triggered from single key and bind to any keyboard sections) Has a whole load of various arpeggios in all genres (no specific to Electronic music) Fun feature for some experiments.


Of course Scaler has about 100 other features, but I feel that two items above would be used most. Ideally I would like to see it integrated as a chord builder to be used instead of the one in BIAB. But you get what you get and you don't get upset... Maybe BIAB developers can figure out how to weld this thing into the workflow. I have tried several chord reference programs, this is the best one to my taste.

Overall fun plugin / tool. If you are looking to explore chord movement, inversions, all kinds of scales, to hear them side by side etc. This plugin is for you.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/03/20 07:23 AM

Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
Maybe best to just wait for 2.0? I don't wanna buy it twice!
Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Download and install the 30 day demo of V1.8.1 in the mean time and start getting use to the features.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/03/20 07:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#
Scaler 2 is a fun toy, but I do not see a direct way to incorporate in the workflow with BIAB, possibly an indirect one.
I would say this. For intermediate or hobbyist user it can accomplish 2 main goals:

1) A chord progression / chord movement reference tool. Scale explorer. It has pretty cool layout for circle of fifth, Secondary scale, Modal interchange and Mediants, Chord inversions. You can hear them and see them graphically. Build chord blocks and hear how they would sound together! That is mainly what I am after. And for this usage, I would not even insert it as a plugin to BIAB, but have it opened in NanoHost as a stand alone program so when working on progression in BIAB it serves as a reference tool. It has onboard sounds of good quality, more than good enough for reference.

2)Chord pattern builder and arpeggio trigger (chords can be triggered from single key and bind to any keyboard sections) Has a whole load of various arpeggios in all genres (no specific to Electronic music) Fun feature for some experiments.


Of course Scaler has about 100 other features, but I feel that two items above would be used most. Ideally I would like to see it integrated as a chord builder to be used instead of the one in BIAB. But you get what you get and you don't get upset... Maybe BIAB developers can figure out how to weld this thing into the workflow. I have tried several chord reference programs, this is the best one to my taste.

Overall fun plugin / tool. If you are looking to explore chord movement, inversions, all kinds of scales, to hear them side by side etc. This plugin is for you.



Could not have said it better. Exactly my findings on this hidden gem.
Posted by: Will Josef

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/09/20 06:31 PM

First time I hear about a version 2.0. I hope it will be good and cheap to buy. I like Scaler so far.
Posted by: Rustyspoon#

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/09/20 08:09 PM

Will,
It is a wonderful plugin. Price would be similar to Scaler 1.8
But it is a different, far more advanced beast. They will offer discount upgrade to all previous Scaler owners.

I think it would be a good idea for PG developers to look into this plugin if they can implement a path to use it within BIAB. And for people who do not want to spend money, maybe a similar path can be used to implement BIAB Chord Picker that pipeline is generously giving out for free.

I am using a beta version as a standalone (with VST shell), as chord reference tool with BIAB and it is great!

Scaler 1 was a huge hit. This will be better smile
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/23/20 08:42 AM

Just a brief update. Scaler 2 is scheduled for release on May 27. If you purchase Scaler 1.8 now for $49 USD you will receive a free updated when 2.0 comes out. If you already have V1.8 the price for Scaler 2.0 has not yet been published.
Posted by: JohnJohnJohn

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/23/20 11:24 AM

How much for 2.0 if you don't own previous version?
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/23/20 03:48 PM

Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
How much for 2.0 if you don't own previous version?


That has not been officially announced. Buzz on the street says it will be $49 USD.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/26/20 11:34 AM

Came a day early, go figure!

Scaler 2 Upgrade from Scaler 1: US$ 19 grin cool cool cool
Posted by: F.M.M.

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/27/20 08:15 AM

hi guys I pick it up for 15.71 plugin boutique I can get it to make some sound in biab with midi host but when I load it from biab I get scaler 2.2 but no sound. in the host midi setup only scaler 1.8.1 shows up the sound is limited you cant drag chords from scaler to biab that I have tried no luck anyone get this work in biab thanks eric
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/27/20 11:55 AM

Eric, you are likely the only who has tried to bring Scaler into BIAB. Personally, my workflow is to get my music out of BIAB and not try to bring music into it. So I won't be trying that. I have found that Scaler and Reaper and EZKeys all trade chord charts effortlessly via drag and drop. So once I have BIAB tracks in Reaper I am good to go with using the necessary tools.

First, Scaler 2.0 was only released yesterday so much is still to be learned regarding its features and capabilities. But initial impressions suggest that there will be little synergy, at this moment, with BIAB and Scaler.

I know, this is likely coming as a surprise to some. Scaler is midi chord progressions at its core, which is exactly how BIAB started. Scaler will drag and drop midi content across EZkeys and Reaper - Sweet and powerful! These three apps (Scaler, EZKeys and Reaper) all permit midi in and out via drag and drop. So there are lots of options there.

However, BIAB does not play nice with other apps. Meaning BIAB does not permit moving midi content across applications in a simple manner. The "write chords to file" feature in BIAB is not automated and requires "clean up" before the output is usable. At the same time, Inputting midi files into BIAB is limited.

I am a big fan of all these tools. But until BIAB learns to play nice with the other kids by exchanging data in a simple workflow, I don't see the practicality of the pairing. For the time being I am using Reaper as the middle man to keep both apps working together to the best I can manage.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/27/20 01:00 PM

RustySpoon
Did Scaler 2.0 break your Nanohost Standalone?

https://forum.scalerplugin.com/t/what-happened/3197

Dan
Posted by: Pipeline

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/27/20 02:37 PM

I don't have Scaler but you can drag n drop midi into Biab,
I just set how many bars to go into the midi file 0 that is the start
how many bars to import 8 that is the length
how many blank bars to start including BB 2 bar count-in 10 (2+8 blank bars) to start on bar 9
It will import to the Melody by default but you can move or cut n paste to another track
Have the Merge with Existing Data.. checked to keep adding:

Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/27/20 03:23 PM

Pipeline,
First, there is a 30 day free version full functional demo of Scaler 2.0 available.

However transferring midi from Scaler to BIAB is not what we need at this time! What is needed is a script which takes the chord chart from Scaler and puts it into Reapers just like you did for transferring Chord names from BIAB to Reaper.

Look at this...
https://forum.scalerplugin.com/t/text-label-for-midi-should-have-the-chord-notes-when-dragged-into-daw/2262/27

It was at my suggestion that they provide some way to output the chord names in a text file. So they did! They allowed a copy to clipboard of all chord titles. So can you do something with that to mimic what you did with your Reatracks chord transfer?
If there is anything I can do to help let me know. The developers are also very cooperative. What do you think? Is this doable?

Dan
Posted by: Pipeline

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/27/20 03:39 PM

I'll have a look later, but you can use
ReaTrak chords from midi item.lua
to get the chords from progression.mid
Ask them to write the chord names as midi markers in progression.mid
Posted by: F.M.M.

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/27/20 06:27 PM

hi pipeline that looks like what I was looking for thanks eric
Posted by: F.M.M.

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/27/20 06:46 PM

hi Musicstudent I to use bandlab, mixcraft ezkeys and scaler they do work well with the drag and drop and give great Music possibilities now I use biab as a tool and arranger and it does very well for me just thought it would be handy at times to drag in from scaler thanks eric
Posted by: Rustyspoon#

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/28/20 07:04 AM

MusicStudent,

Yes, I bought the upgrade to show my support smile Beta worked fine with midi keyboard. I downloaded and installed official release. It does not crash Nanohost without midi board connected, will try with board next few days, maybe sooner.
*There are couple of Nanohost versions... Mine is 1.0.2. Developers are very responsive with fixing things, I saw your message on the board. My guess, they are swamped with emails. Give them a few days to sort this out.

P.S. I think they took advice to make it a standalone seriously. I would not be surprised if they roll out their own version soon.

Also, I was very glad they implemented a few of my minor suggestions smile
Posted by: Pipeline

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/28/20 03:32 PM

Where is the copy chords to clipboard button ?
EDIT: found it, right click

B maj, C# min, D# dim, E maj, F# min, G# min, A maj
now I'll see if I can make a script to get them into Reaper.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/28/20 03:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Pipeline
Where is the copy chords to clipboard button ?
EDIT: found it, right click

B maj, C# min, D# dim, E maj, F# min, G# min, A maj
now I'll see if I can make a script to get them into Reaper.


Sweet! grin
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/28/20 03:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#

*There are couple of Nanohost versions... Mine is 1.0.2.


NanoHost 1.0.2 does not crash with Scaler V2.0.4 (newest release) it just does not accept input from the keyboard. Totally silent from keyboard but does have sound when using the mouse. So I hooked up Scaler v1.8 which works nice with the keyboard. BTW, All the beta versions have gone dead.

dan
Posted by: Pipeline

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/28/20 06:43 PM

The problem is the text won't give the repeats or duration whereas the script above will give those.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/29/20 02:34 AM

Understood. Scaler’s “copy to clipboard” copies the chords from each “box” separated by a comma. And therefore no indication of how many boxes will be in a single bar.

For this purpose can we assume one chord per bar with the bar marker indicated by a comma in the text file. It would be easy for the user to adjust the text file prior to sending to Reaper if more chords appear in a single bar by moving commas as needed. We can go back to the developers at a later time with a better idea involving “writing the chord names as midi marker in the exported chord track” as you suggest. But for now, could this work as a proof of concept?
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/29/20 04:52 AM

Ok here is my first initial efforts at a path forward… I move the Scaler “copy to clipboard” chord names from the clipboard and paste into a .csv file template. There I have to do a little editing to get the names in the right cells and save for import into Reaper. Hey, it is a start!
drive.google.com
Posted by: Pipeline

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/29/20 05:00 AM

I should be able to script it to do 1 chord per bar, but you can set chord duration in beats in settings.
I could maybe create a small GUI that you paste the clipboard chords into and set beats per chord.
I will have to play around with it more and watch some videos.
But if they just add chord name midi markers it would solve the issue but then again I have been asking PG to do that for years.
Posted by: Rustyspoon#

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/29/20 05:05 AM

Dan,
I briefly tested Nanohost+Scaler 2, it accepts my midi keyboard...and works with chord "binding" option too. Sorry, swamped with other things to do deeper testing at this time. But it worked for me from first try.

Did you check / selected controller in your congfig in Nanohost, under MIDI?
I uninstalled the Beta first, then installed official release, maybe that has something to do with it.

Another thing that came to mind if your interface (if your MIDI is through interface, not direct USB connection) has "exclusive" control and some other audio program is opened at the same time?

Try running Nanohost+Scaler and nothing else, choose proper MIDI port in upper left config (of Nanohost!). See if that works. Good luck.
Posted by: Pipeline

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/29/20 05:05 AM

The script will get the basic chords but because they use different voicing it's not accurate.
Posted by: Rustyspoon#

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/29/20 05:16 AM

Pipeline, yes the voicing smile

Personally I think the "Drop chord" feature is not very useful with Scaler.
It is more of a chord tool, not so much of arranger. My main usage is exploring scales, Modal interchange, secondary scales etc... Very fun and educational reference tool.

I believe one of the primal usages of Scaler is chord binding. You can bind custom chords or arpeggios to single key or section of keyboard and trigger them live.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/29/20 05:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#
Dan,
I briefly tested Nanohost+Scaler 2, it accepts my midi keyboard...and works with chord "binding" option too.


Wow, both excited and disappointed at the same time. I tied everything to get this to work and no deal! OK, obviously not everything. Seems like I have more work to do. Thanks so much for your followup on this. It will be nice to have the V2 working as standalone again.

Dan
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/29/20 05:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Pipeline

But if they just add chord name midi markers it would solve the issue but then again I have been asking PG to do that for years.


Understand completely. But these guys appear to be young and hungry and receptive to suggestions. I may have been the one who sent them down this "text" trail ( my bad ). If you can carefully articulate exactly what they need to do I am betting they will do it once the dust has settled on the V2 launch is causing quite a stir in the forum over there.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/29/20 05:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#
Pipeline, yes the voicing smile

Personally I think the "Drop chord" feature is not very useful with Scaler.
It is more of a chord tool, not so much of arranger. My main usage is exploring scales, Modal interchange, secondary scales etc... Very fun and educational reference tool.

I believe one of the primal usages of Scaler is chord binding. You can bind custom chords or arpeggios to single key or section of keyboard and trigger them live.


Exactly, a very exciting tool.

But the need for chord names in Reaper is more a "documentation" tool than anything else. Since they are giving us the Chord names we should not have to relay on an algorithm to interpret the notes. Complex Chords can take on multiple names. Speaking for myself, I read chord charts not Staff notes (remember I am primarily a guitarist). grin
So I am hoping for a way to simply move the chord names over.

Pipeline has used the phrase "..write the chord names as midi markers in the exported chord track". When I google that I find it is actually a "thing". And I think this is exactly what we need here.
Posted by: Pipeline

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/29/20 05:51 AM

This is the easiest solution:
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/29/20 06:16 AM

Pipey - I have passed this to the development team lets see what they do now. Thanks so much for pointing us in this direction. I actually think some good will come from this effort.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/29/20 02:13 PM

Got some feedback from Davide of the Scaler Development team

"...There are quite a few things to consider here from an implementation perspective vs priority but I like all the thinking and absolutely can see a use. When the dust settles from this first wave I will be sitting down with the team and discussing priorities in terms of features. It is logged and will be discussed. Thank you."

So on that note I am hoping to put this tread to rest. Time now to focus on making music instead of talking about it. We did give this tread a good run, didn't we! grin

Cheers,
Dan
Posted by: Pipeline

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/29/20 11:39 PM

Try Impro-Visor you can paste the chords with commas in the Textual Entry box at the top, for more chords on a bar use " / " for beat spacing between chords ,C / G /, your slash chords will be ,C/G, with no space.
You can also add in Utilities > Leadsheet Textual Editor
Any chord name it don't recognize you can go to Utilities > Voicing Editor.
You can then export to musicxml that is dragged into Reaper then "MusicXML Chords" button.
It can also be imported into Biab File > Open Special > Open MusicXML File...
and import the Impor-Visor or Scaler midi also.
ReaTrak musicxml chords notation events to regions.lua
Posted by: fiddler2007

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 06/29/20 12:39 AM

Scaler 2 has been updated to 2.0.8. It seems to load correctly now and is no longer blacklisted in to Cubase.
But they should change the name as it not seem to scale the right way on a 4k monitor.

A lot of plugins suck there, like waves (older versions?). I get really fed-up with all this updating all the time.
A thing that works all of a sudden doesn't anymore after an update. AND TH WINNER IS: WINDOWS !

So i am still curious if anyone found a way to use Scaler 2 with BIAB or RB. The chording sequences coming out of it sound quite good.
Posted by: Pipeline

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 06/29/20 01:30 AM

I can’t see a midi marker option in Scaler-2.0.8
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 06/29/20 06:42 AM

Pipeline, I believe we are still in the que with our wish. 2.0.8 was released several weeks ago in the flurry of bug fixes. I am confident they will get to our wish as they promised. Patience, I am watching this closely and will be quick to report when something happens on this front. grin
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 07/22/20 10:56 AM

Flemiis, a little late to jump on the band wagon grin . But glad to have you on board to provide another testimony to this wonderful product.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 08/09/20 05:24 PM

Just for those interested.

Quote:
Scaler 2.1 is a few weeks away, we are all working really hard on it
Thanks for your patience and support :slight_smile: Ed


Ed (one of the developers) has been promising some new surprises in 2.1. If you are an owner, Best to check into the Scaler forum on occasions so you don't miss it.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 09/02/20 03:52 PM

Update

Check update 2.1 coming Sep 9th.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 09/09/20 06:47 AM

Right on time as promised. What would you guys do without me.. grin .

Scaler v2.1.0 (available 9th September 2020):
Here is the video of new features: https://forum.scalerplugin.com/t/scaler-2-1-update-overview-video/4843

New Chord Editor
Control individual notes and velocities in each chord
Use the circle of fifths to easily create chord progressions
Search for any chord in Scaler
More than 100 new expressions in triplet feel and across several time signatures
Add bass/inversion display in chord name

- Audio-Detection
Improved accuracy of detection
Reduce the number of duplicate chords in results
Filter-out unlikely chord types to reduce noise
Add ability to detect from a file in the source dropdown
New Modulation Preset - Neo-Riemannian
Create harmonic transformations from any chord
Support custom sounds folder location
Support custom chordsets folder location
Multi-Select Pattern and Pattern Chaining improvements
Add ability to apply extracted voicing to a multi-selection of chords
Ability to export chord names to MIDI markers when dragging to DAW
New Arpeggio Octave Range option
Add ability to select the output MIDI channel
Keys-Lock - Chord Mute function now works properly when used with DAW-Sync
Ability to select and remove multiple notes with lasso in Detect panel
Add ability to synchronise the selected scale across instances

-Bug fixes:

Fix “Right-Click -> Select All” in Pad View
Fix erratic behaviour when deleting from a multi-selection in Pad View
Fix bind to suggested pathways refresh issue in Modulation
Fix UI not redrawing correctly after Clear State
Fix lowercase display for minor chords in Modulation panels
Fix empty large clip when dragging from MIDI Capture
Other fixes and overall stability improvements
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 09/09/20 09:44 AM

By the way, this one is for Pipeline and me!

"Ability to export chord names to MIDI markers when dragging to DAW" grin
Posted by: Pipeline

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 09/09/20 01:09 PM

Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
By the way, this one is for Pipeline and me!

"Ability to export chord names to MIDI markers when dragging to DAW" grin

NO, that couldn't be right, we only just asked for that recently, that should take at least ten+ years if at all to do, shouldn't it ???
2008 Export Chord Notation with .mid Files

Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
..."Add ability to select the output MIDI channel"...

OMG don't let PG see that !

Changing MIDI channel for MIDI Supertracks in plugin
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 11/20/20 11:32 AM

Can't believe I am back, but this program has had a big impact on my music. A little of this app appears in everything I do. It is now back on sale for the low price of $49. It reminds me a lot of BIAB in the way you can never really master the total content of what this program can do. It literally can hurt my head (in a good way grin ) thinking about what it is doing. Every use is a discovery. But if you have followed this thread, you already know that... crazy

https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/3-Studio-Tools/93-Music-Theory-Tools/6439-Scaler-2
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 12/10/20 01:55 AM

Here we go again.

Posted by: Will Josef

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 12/16/20 03:21 PM

Scaler 2.2 is amazing! So useful and inspiring.
Posted by: Larry Kehl

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 12/16/20 07:37 PM

Riddle me this Batman, where were these genius insightful "Carnac the Great" like developers 30 years ago? OK fair is fair, how about even 10 years ago?

Larry
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 02/08/21 05:11 AM

Well someone has to do it, so it might has well be me. We all have our roles to play and apparently mine is to keep everyone up to date on Scaler. grin

Quote:
New update released over night.



2.3.0 (available 8th February 2020)

Playback
Add new Riffs to Melody mode
New 70’s Funk & Soul chordsets
Prevent notes from hanging when triggered from multiple sources at once.
Prevent overlapping notes from hanging in performance/phrases/rhythms/melody/bass modes.
Fix hung notes due to keyswitch not resetting properly after being pressed.
Fix a playback issue when using alt-click to preview chords.
Keys-Lock: Improve chord extension handling of altered chords.
UI
“Undo/Redo” is now accessible from the Scaler Logo - Right-Click menu.
"Import/Export State” is now accessible from the Scaler Logo - Right-Click menu.
EDIT panel: labels now refresh properly when changing chord parameters.
Add bigger “Bind” buttons on all screens.
Fix highlight of chords in Pad-View when using multi-pattern selection.
Add ability to search by style in the Scales panel.
Other improvements
Audio detection from a file can now be run multiple times in a row
Sync between instances now maintains multi-selection of patterns.
Prevent a crash when changing parameters on a chord in the EDIT Panel after removing/reordering patterns.
Prevent unexpected behaviors caused by the UI Keyboard creating notes with no velocity.
Fix a calculation error creating notes with a velocity higher than the maximum allowed.
The installer will now automatically move the sound library when using a custom location.
Improve stability of the audio detection for sample rates up to 96KHz.
Prevent a crash when resetting the playback.
Prevent a crash when changing a chord voicing after deleting the parent pattern.
Prevent a crash when removing Scaler from a track during playback.
Fix a voicing calculation error when extracting/applying a voicing to a chord.
“Right-Click > Detect” now refreshes the panel properly every time.
Posted by: TheMaartian

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 02/08/21 09:15 AM

Thanks for the heads-up!

Moving from a desktop to a laptop. Reinstalling my music software. Scaler is definitely coming along.

Waves plugins are not. Had enough of all of the shells and especially of WUP.

Anyone remember Instachord and Instascale? Me neither. Same with AutoTheory.

I do like how the Captain Plugins from Mixed In Key have developed. They're coming along with Scaler.

There are some terrific MIDI tools out there in addition to all of the BS&W (Bottom Sludge & Water (from petro tank farms))!
Posted by: MountainSide

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 02/09/21 06:35 AM

Dan, will the new version of Scaler work with RealBand?

Jeff
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 02/19/21 07:44 AM

Sorry for Delay Jeff, I never saw this question till now

So I don't use RealBand so I can't give you a quick answer. Ir does work well in a standalone mode or with Reaper. If you need this info, get back to me and I will check it out for you.

Dan
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/09/21 05:31 PM

Ya, I have appointed myself the forum notification board for Scaler 2. While the first track in my DAW template is reserved for BIAB-VST, the second track is reserved for Scaler 2. grin

New version to be released on May 27. Who doesn't like to hear a nice modulation in there tunes.

Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/26/21 05:18 AM

Version 2.4.0 free update released today (available 26th of May 2021)

CONTENT
New “Common Progressions” Chord Sets
New Performances, Bass & Sequences
New genre Chord Sets: EDM & Metal
2 new Pluck sounds

MODULATION
Progression - Add “Maintain Voicing” option to adapt the suggested chords to your progression’s voicing.
Neo-Riemannian - Add “Minimise Movement” option.
Mediants - Add “Group Voicing” option to prevent jumps in octave between distant chords.

COMMANDS
Add new mappable commands to control Scaler with MIDI CC or keyboard shortcuts.

BIND
Add the ability to bind chords to “All” keys instead of “Only White” keys.
Add the ability to start the “Bind” area from any note of the keyboard.
Add the ability to switch between OCT/ST steps when defining the “Bind” area from the side menu.
Add new binding mode “True Scale” to map chords on notes belonging to the selected scale.

PLAYBACK
Prevents hanging notes when playing a chord while navigating to another panel.
Playback in Section A now follows global settings for “Perform Mode”.
Internal playback now cancels previously latched notes to prevent overlap.
Fix keyboard display showing keyswitch keys while in Chord Edit mode.
Fix an issue in the Detect source selector causing the source to appear empty.
Fix an issue in the Sound selector causing the selected value to change back to “Felt Piano” after turning it off.
Properly navigate to the “Detect” panel after detecting a chord selection.
Prevent latched notes from clashing with internal section playback.
Fix an issue preventing the last latched chord from starting playback.
Fix an issue in the Voice-Grouping causing the extracted voicing to reapply incorrectly when voiced across multiple octaves.
Fix an issue preventing latched chords from playing when triggered from the UI.
Avoid stopping playback on UI Close/Reopen.

AUDIO DETECTION
Prevent the first chord from being ignored after clearing the detection.
Fix an issue causing the result of a file analysis to not display properly.

INTERFACE
Improve “lasso” selection on Windows (clicking away from selected content now clears the selection properly).
Fix double drag of MIDI content in affected DAWs.
Improve “Save” function in Section C (saving individual patterns is now optional).
Improve “Save/Override” function in Section C (add ability to select the session to replace from a dropdown menu).
Add the ability to “Sync” new parameters between instances (DAW-Sync, Section C Looping, Chord Duration).
Add the ability to “Sync” the entire state between instances.
The “Add Chord(s) to" option in the Right-Click menu is now accessible from chords in the Section C.
Add “Replace Current Pattern” option in the Right-Click menu for chord selection.
Fix keyboard display showing wrong marker/icons on keyswitch keys.
Fix an issue causing the Section B chords to be hidden on navigation.
Fix a navigation issue when detecting chords from Right-Click > Detect.
Disable unavailable “Chord Mute” option in some Keys-Lock mode.
Posted by: TheMaartian

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/26/21 08:48 AM

Thanks for the heads-up! There was also an update for reMIDI to v2.0.3 when I downloaded the Scaler update from Plugin Boutique.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/28/21 05:56 PM

On sale right now for 49USD. That is $10 off normal price.

https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/3...V7XoMsWDuoWXLyM
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 05/31/21 01:39 PM

I could have put this video in a number of places, but I chose here. I have always realized the significant overlap between BIAB and Scaler but this video is the best I have seen of someone attempting to build a song, ala BIAB, using Scaler. In reality a workflow which combines both BIAB and Scaler takes advantage of the best of both.

Posted by: lambada

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 06/08/21 08:21 PM

In this video you can see BIAB VST integrated with Scalar 2.4 at 22:30. Also lots of other familiar software
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVihFIGAtDg
Posted by: MusicStudent

Scaler 2.4.1 Free Update - 09/08/21 06:08 AM

It is that time again. The folks over in Scaler forum are buzzin this morning with release of Scaler 2.4.1

WARNING: If this is your first introduction to Scaler 2, you may want to start viewing from the beginning of this thread. Scaler 2.4.1 is for extreme musical nerds only!



Just for those who need to know. Scaler 2.4.1 Change Log

Content & Playback
o New Common Phrases (Chordal & Progression)
o New Basic Performances
o Improve timing precision - Fix timing offset in recorded performance, prevent short notes from being added to recorded MIDI at looping points and prevent hung notes.
o Add the ability to Quantise and Latch chords with Perform mode OFF
o Fix “Chord+Melody” playback to avoid creating overlapping MIDI notes.

MIDI Mapping
o Add the ability to manually select the MIDI CC to map from a dropdown when creating an action.
o Add the ability to map "MIDI Panic" to a command binding
o Add the ability to bind dropdown menus' "Previous" / "Next" command to a MIDI CC
o Add new assignable commands for keyswitch actions (toggle chord/scale mode, toggle chord mute, switch melody patterns)
o Add the ability to disable keyswitch (green keys) from the side menu.
o Add the ability to override an existing command mapping.

Other Improvements
o Fix - Extracted Voicing - Avoid creating an extra gap in octave when re-voicing extended chords
o Include inversions when exporting MIDI markers (slash chords)
o Fix multi-selection not applying changes when modifying multiple chords in EDIT matrix
o Keys-Lock - “Scale Notes Mapped” profile now prioritise the natural position of each mapped note correctly.
o Forcing a chord set into a scale now refreshes the chord colours and Section B properly.
o Multi-selection of chords are now moved properly when dragged from a Section C pattern into an empty pattern.
o Fix an issue causing the Keys-Lock settings to be lost when entering/exiting the Chord-Edit view.
o Dragging a single chord with an expression ON now exports the duration of a single chord instead of the duration of the whole pattern.
o Fix a bug in the generation of modulation pathways creating duplicate suggestions in Modulation Popup.
o Fix an issue preventing the transposition of "Community" chord sets.
o Fix an issue causing the "..." button to appear in the wrong location


Posted by: Mark Hayes

Re: Scaler 2.4.1 Free Update - 09/08/21 07:39 AM

Ah, there is a 30-day demo, good. I do need to check this out, thanks. More electric glassware for the evil laboratory.
Posted by: bloc-head

Re: Scaler 2.4.1 Free Update - 09/08/21 02:15 PM

Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
It is that time again. The folks over in Scaler forum are buzzin this morning with release of Scaler 2.4.1

WARNING: If this is your first introduction to Scaler 2, you may want to start viewing from the beginning of this thread. Scaler 2.4.1 is for extreme musical nerds only!


Thanks a lot Dan... My day was all planned out, until I came across this thread... I'm in trouble now.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.4.1 Free Update - 09/08/21 02:51 PM

Originally Posted By: bloc-head
Thanks a lot Dan... My day was all planned out, until I came across this thread... I'm in trouble now.


Don't blame the messenger! grin

But that aside, do you all believe 20,000+ views on this topic? crazy I'm wondering where that ranks in the records for the # of views in the "off topic forum"?
Posted by: bloc-head

Re: Scaler 2.4.1 Free Update - 09/08/21 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: MusicStudent


Don't blame the messenger! grin

But that aside, do you all believe 20,000+ views on this topic? crazy I'm wondering where that ranks in the records for the # of views in the "off topic forum"?

must be a record, or close to it...
Just looking at the Scaler 2+ Bundle...
Would anyone recommend the "Producer's Guide to Scaler 2 ?
Or is most of this information covered on youtube..?
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 09/10/21 05:13 AM

Good for you block-head. Taking it right to the people who know... grin


https://forum.scalerplugin.com/t/scaler-2-modulation-masterclass/8128/1
Posted by: bloc-head

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 09/10/21 06:37 AM

Yes, I'm planning on making the jump today, if life doesn't get in the way... again. (grin;-)
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 09/10/21 08:23 AM

Originally Posted By: bloc-head
Yes, I'm planning on making the jump today, if life doesn't get in the way... again. (grin;-)


Be sure to get https://www.tone2.com/nanohost.html

Nanohost is free and will permit you to load Scaler2 as a standalone version. A standalone version makes Scaler 2 quick and easy to work off line and allows you to focus on its full feature set. Scaler 2 standalone has all the sounds and ability to save your work so when you do need to bring it all into your DAW it is there.
Posted by: PatrickS

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 09/10/21 09:17 AM

Scaler 2 also works really well in Unify.
Posted by: bloc-head

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 09/10/21 03:37 PM

Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Originally Posted By: bloc-head
Yes, I'm planning on making the jump today, if life doesn't get in the way... again. (grin;-)


Be sure to get https://www.tone2.com/nanohost.html

Nanohost is free and will permit you to load Scaler2 as a standalone version. A standalone version makes Scaler 2 quick and easy to work off line and allows you to focus on its full feature set. Scaler 2 standalone has all the sounds and ability to save your work so when you do need to bring it all into your DAW it is there.

Thanks for the link to nanohost... I'll give it a try.
Posted by: Bernard Rasson

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 09/10/21 05:13 PM

this nanohost program looks very interesting compared to enormous DAWs ; I will give a try too
thanks for the link
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 09/10/21 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Bernard Rasson
this nanohost program looks very interesting compared to enormous DAWs ; I will give a try too
thanks for the link


I have a directory of shortcuts I set up for the multiple VSTs I wrap in Nanohost to play as standalones. Credits to @Rustyspoon for recommending this app a good year ago. grin
Posted by: Bernard Rasson

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 09/12/21 09:44 AM

great tips !
thank you
Bernard
Posted by: MusicStudent

Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/17/21 01:50 PM

It's kinda my job now....





Posted by: bloc-head

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/17/21 04:59 PM

Thanks Dan...
Posted by: Rustyspoon#

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/17/21 05:33 PM

Some neat features rolled out in this release. Now
all we need is to find a easy workflow between BIAB and Scaler smile
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/18/21 07:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#
Now all we need is to find a easy workflow between BIAB and Scaler smile



BIAB 2022. grin
Posted by: Hulkko

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/19/21 03:13 AM

Can I take advantage of the program with Logic Pro X? I became interested in the Scaler program.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/19/21 04:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Hulkko
Can I take advantage of the program with Logic Pro X? I became interested in the Scaler program.


Scaler 2.5 runs as a standalone in a nice wrapper or in any of the standard DAWs as a VST.
Stop in at the forum to ask any specific questions.

https://forum.scalerplugin.com/

By the way it is on sale now. grin
Posted by: Rustyspoon#

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/19/21 06:05 AM

To make 2tone VST shell icon less generic, here is Scaler icon I made. Change .mp3 extension to .ico and replace generic.
Posted by: Hulkko

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/19/21 06:54 AM

Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Originally Posted By: Hulkko
Can I take advantage of the program with Logic Pro X? I became interested in the Scaler program.


Scaler 2.5 runs as a standalone in a nice wrapper or in any of the standard DAWs as a VST.
Stop in at the forum to ask any specific questions.

https://forum.scalerplugin.com/

By the way it is on sale now. grin


I bought.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/19/21 07:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#
To make 2tone VST shell icon less generic, here is Scaler icon I made. Change .mp3 extension to .ico and replace generic.


How cools is that, Thanks. grin
Posted by: Matt Finley

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/19/21 08:25 AM

Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
..., do you all believe 20,000+ views on this topic? crazy I'm wondering where that ranks in the records for the # of views in the "off topic forum"?
Possibly in second, to the removed thread that had all the jokes from copyrighted sources.
Posted by: Hulkko

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/19/21 01:46 PM

interesting program. it just takes a lot of time to learn just how to use it. Very confusing interface.
Posted by: Hulkko

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/20/21 02:18 PM

Unfortunately, that cannot be utilized with the program on this site. Very big minus. Second, isn’t you who needs complex chords other than jazz music? Rock and pop is simple if you want to do it. As for the melody so Scaler what makes the melody so I don't think it's a song melody. The program on this page may well create a melody that can be sung.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/21/21 12:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Hulkko
Unfortunately, that cannot be utilized with the program on this site. Very big minus.


A long time effort has gone into attempting to remedying this point. And some limited progress has been made. Particularly using Reaper to share chord charts between Scaler and BIAB-VST via the midi markers which both utilize. But, yes, much more needs to be done.

Here is the Manual Method for moving chord charts from Scaler to BIAB.



Posted by: bloc-head

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/22/21 07:29 AM

Thanks Dan, very good explaination, but to what end? I'm not sure why anyone would want to do this... Scaler2.5 and BIAB are both excellent tools for generating MIDI and Audio files, which are part of a balanced diet for my hungry DAW...
edit; BTW thanks again for link to the excellent wrapper, https://www.tone2.com/nanohost.html another excellent tool.
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/22/21 07:36 AM

I want to share chord charts across the two programs. Why? Because, simply put, Scaler is a better tool for creating interesting chord charts and BIAB is a better tool for creating accompaniments to play the chord charts.

What I showed above is the current best "manual" workflow, short of just retyping them over again. Granted, it is not an attractive workflow either way.

There is another workflow which moves the chord chart from Scaler to Reaper to BIAB-VST. But that is not perfect either.

But thanks for asking. grin
Posted by: Hulkko

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/22/21 08:11 AM

Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Originally Posted By: Hulkko
Unfortunately, that cannot be utilized with the program on this site. Very big minus.


A long time effort has gone into attempting to remedying this point. And some limited progress has been made. Particularly using Reaper to share chord charts between Scaler and BIAB-VST via the midi markers which both utilize. But, yes, much more needs to be done.

Here is the Manual Method for moving chord charts from Scaler to BIAB.




Thanks for the tip. I still can’t use Scaler so much that I would play those midi keyboards like one in a video on youtube. So I can't save it. Help would be appreciated.
Posted by: Hulkko

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/22/21 08:32 AM

I knew it now and finally. Nothing but Scaler 2 to take advantage of and learn more. laugh cool
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 11/22/21 08:52 AM

Not sure exactly what you are requesting, however, best to send you to the very friendly Scaler 2 forum for questions and answers.

https://forum.scalerplugin.com/
Posted by: Mark Hayes

Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) - 01/02/22 03:37 PM

(Cool, a thread for me to use for this...)

I just bought Scaler 2.5 and am trying to figure out what to do with it. This is far from obvious! I would just like to ask:

Has anyone here actually used Scaler together with BIAB to create a song? If so, is it posted somewhere with an explanation of the connection? I'm thinking of something like, "The first verse is how I originally wrote it, the second verse uses a progression Scaler generated based on the first."

Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 01/02/22 04:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark Hayes
(Cool, a thread for me to use for this...) Has anyone here actually used Scaler together with BIAB to create a song?


OMG, fresh meat! cry
This thread will be 2 years old next month. With 28,000 views it is the second most viewed thread on this site. Which is a testimony to my personal (nagging) persistance grin , the forums interest and the synergy between Scaler and BIAB.

Over that time I have uploaded a couple songs I did with Scaler-BIAB-Reaper. One example:
https://soundcloud.com/dan-hoch-784636941/perseverance

I have also made a number of videos using Scaler and BIAB, however, I don't leave these on the web. But there are lots and lots of pro videos of Scaler and even some specifically for Scaler and BIAB. Look in this tread for some links.

I might suggest you start a separate thread for what peaks you specific interests with using Scaler and BIAB. Keep in mind there is an excellent user forum for Scaler where you will recognize a number of the folks from here. Actually, this is where our little chinese friend hangs his hat.
Posted by: Mark Hayes

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 01/02/22 04:47 PM

Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Over that time I have uploaded a couple songs I did with Scaler-BIAB-Reaper. One example:
https://soundcloud.com/dan-hoch-784636941/perseverance

Thanks! Can you tell me something about where Scaler came in? Did it make suggestions to spiff up a simple progression, did you use those "performance" things where you play somebody's chords by playing a scale, did it generate "modulation pathways" for you?

Oh, and did you still have a human soul after collaborating with Scaler? =8^)
Posted by: MusicStudent

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 01/03/22 08:22 AM

Scaler comes in at the mark shown. Yes, this is one of those "performance " things which play over my chords.

Scaler, like BIAB, creates midi. What scaler does different is it permits chord voicings to be explicitly set and adjusted based on how you want to hear or play the chords. Second, Scaler identifies the harmonic series of chords for any specific scale or mode. With this you can hear and select the next chord in your sequence from within the selected scale.

Scale permits me to visually identify, examine and hear my chord progressions as I compose "on the fly". It has permitted me to voice the chord on the keyboard as I play and capture the exact midi notes I want to hear. This was a game changer for me and has become an integral part of my music making. Fact is, Scaler has allowed me to get more of me into my music.

Yes, Scaler does make suggestions for chord sequences and does generate modulation pathways, and it does construct performance sets and much more. So I do understand your point about losing one's soul to software which writes the music for you. Heck, we are in a BIAB forum so we all understand that reality. cry I can only say, we all do the best we can with the tools and talent at our disposal. grin

Visit the Scaler forum. Join in the chats and review the videos. You say you already bought the software, so you should see what others are doing.







Posted by: Mark Hayes

Re: Scaler 2.0 - 01/03/22 09:35 AM

Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Scaler comes in at the mark shown. Yes, this is one of those "performance " things which play over my chords.

Thanks, that's what I was looking for. There are many, many words and videos explaining what Scaler can do, I'm wondering what I can do with it.

Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
I do understand your point about losing one's soul to software which writes the music for you.

OK, I was just kidding about losing your soul.

There are certainly concerns to be had about the effects of this stuff on creativity, but I don't go in for the idea that there's some mystical force inside us that we must protect and nurture by only getting ideas from organic sources.

I'm actually a big fan of automation and algorithmic composition as sources of musical material, and have no qualms about that. I even use pitch recognition on raw noise to generate MIDI output that you may or may not want to call music; I generate some output, delete all the obvious crap, then work what's left into something that sounds good to me.

Here's one "workflow" that might horrify some:

1) Pick an algorithm, set some parameters, and let it generate an hour of music with 8 parts.
2) Listen for parts that sound good and discard the rest, yielding, say, 5 minutes of music in 4 parts.
3) Voice, arrange, edit.

(Of course, an hour of 8 monkeys jumping around on a rectangle of 4 pianos would probably also provide interesting material, and now I'm wondering if anyone has ever made music out of animals "playing" instruments like that. I absolutely guarantee if you take that hour-long recording, you will find interesting sections, structured by the physical ratios of their bodies and behaviors. Anyway!)

Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Visit the Scaler forum. Join in the chats and review the videos. You say you already bought the software, so you should see what others are doing.

Already there, thanks. The occasional comments about BIAB are interesting and strangely familiar.

PS – Computer music, by the program Aural and me:

https://soundcloud.com/mark_hayes/cellular-automata

Aural gave me a pure, abstract MIDI, generated using algorithms I know nothing about, and I messed with it in Logic. It's a little long (10 minutes), but I tried to keep it interesting.

Scaler here I come.