As usual, way too many details below!

Time and Tide

One thing that she hated was a long goodbye
Why she had to leave, I'll never know
Leaving me in endless grief that wouldn't die
A ghost of her that wouldn't let me go

I just can't believe how alone I am
I can't get past this broken heart
Wishing that I knew how I could start again
The only thing I do is fall apart

CHORUS:
They say time heals old wounds
Time brings the mountains down
With just one single drop every day
Even with my heart in a tomb
Buried beneath the ground
Until time wears the heartache away

Slowly, gently, the water softly falls
Wearing the mighty rock away

I know I keep on saying that I'm moving on
But it seems I'm stuck in yesterday
Like a broken record sings the same old tune
It's time to put that sad old tune away

CHORUS:
They say time heals old wounds
Time brings the mountains down
With just one single drop every day
Even with my heart in a tomb
Buried beneath the ground
Until time wears the heartache away

Slowly, gently, the water softly falls
Time and tide will bring a brand new day


Style is _ASPEN.STY (Aspen Songwriter Pop)

Bass, Electric, PopHalfNotesPush Ev 120 (#683)
Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm PopPowerPushArp Ev 120 (#1533)
Guitar, Acoustic, Rhythm FolkPulse8thsFintan Ev 110 (#2935)
Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming AcRockBright Ev 120 (#691)
Drums, NashvilleEven8^2-a:Sidestick, HiHat , b:Snare, HiHat
Cello, Background PopCountry Ev 085 (#1856)
Piano, Electric, HeldChords 120 (#2495)


As I've mentioned before, I figured that I need to step up to the plate this year and start writing songs, so I can justify all these digital music toys I buy. This time around, I decided that I should go 100% BiaB. So I went searching through the various styles until I found the _ASPEN style. Sweet! I put in a different set of chords, and worked out a nice melody to go with it. I worked that out in BiaB, this time around trying to stick with lots of stepwise motion to make it easier to sing.

All that was left was to add lyrics.

And then... no progress. In addition to writer's block, the chorus I'd set up was way too freaking long. But I stuck with my self-imposed rules and kept at it, failing again and again. There's a quote in Johann Joseph Fux's Gradus ad Parnassum:

drops wear the stone
not by strength but by constant falling

Well, I was constantly falling, that's for sure!

Eventually, that idea became the chorus (although stated less well), and the verses a justification for the chorus. The genesis for the song was someone's comment following several celebrity suicides that "It gets better." I'd used the theme of a singer being left by someone before, but figured that it was an acceptable proxy. I believe I also used the phrase time and tide in a recent song, so claims that I'm running in creative circles are probably well founded.

I had intended to use more colorful, descriptive language in my songs. That didn't happen - even the non-color grey didn't survive through the rewrites. Maybe next time, I'll write about sparkling rainbows over green pastures of shamrocks.

Once I'd finally worked out the lyrics, it was time to sing it - something I always dread. Learning from past mistakes, I actually tried out a number of keys before settling on F - pleasantly high, but no out of reach notes. Of course, that was before I added the high harmony part, something I wish I had considered.

I put together a scratch vocal track, which was really pitchy and filled with vocal scoops - a vocal habit I've never been able to rid myself of. The idea was to use it as a guide and replace it. But after spending so much time fixing the track with Waves Tune, I decided to use it as the main track - not really the best decision, because vocal are the key instrument, right? So there really isn't any good excuse for me not going back and singing it properly, mea culpa.

For the harmony part, I used BiaB to generate the parts using TC Helicon, because the zplane Intelligent Mode harmony function wouldn't track my vocal. I ended up singing along with those to make it less robotic, and the final background vocals is a mix of both. Pitch correction for those tracks used Reaper's ReaTune. It's a bit ironic that I was up until the wee hours of the night singing background vocals, but loath to re-do the primary track.

The song needed some instrumental sweetening, so after trying out lots of options, I ended up using the cello, and a touch of electric piano to fill things out.

That cello is really lovely - Matt Nelson did a wonderful job.

Once I got a working mix, I got my oldest son to work on the final mix. He did lots of EQ moves with Neutron Elements, along with free Spitfish plugins and EZ Mix. We used Ozone Elements for the "mastering", along with a Reaper stereo widener.

As usual... I didn't use reference tracks while mixing, and I'm sure it shows. I'm suitably ashamed. But next time..! Extra effort was made to get the mix to be more cohesive, and the vocal less shrill.

As floyd jane says - have at it! I hope you enjoy it. The fact that you folk crank out such awesome songs is an inspiration for me to keep me working on these songs.

All comments are welcome.

David,

I really enjoyed this.

You are the only second person on the planet that I am acquainted with who has read Johann Joseph Fux's Gradus ad Parnassum. That was my starting text when I embarked on my journey of teaching myself counterpoint and 4-part harmony. In retrospect, it was fine place to begin. I wonder how many people will read your post and wonder how to pronounce his surname?

Back to your composition...

Your arrangements are always first class and this stands proudly beside all that you've posted to date. I was captivated by the way you used the cello. It blended so hauntingly well with the instruments. Your vocals and background vocals also fitted the mood of the melody very well indeed. When I first heard the chorus, I was immediately reminded of the light-rock/folk sound of Bobby Goldsboro (he's one of my favourites).

I found a lot to like with this. I've got to say that I definitely admire you for choosing an ABAB verse rhyme scheme and then upping the ante with an ABCABC chorus rhyme scheme! You've used it very well and maintained a conversational lyric flow. I always find that more intense my rhyme patterns, the harder fitting lyrics together becomes. You make it look and sound very, very easy though.

As I said at the start, I really enjoyed this -- technically and musically.

All the best,
Noel

David,

I really like this... Great song, arrangement and mix. I also like the vocal and see no reason to change it.

Agree with Noel on the Bobby Goldsboro vibe - very cool sound.

Bob

David,

This. Is. Excellent.

A good "pop" write. The instrumentation is excellent. Good arrangement.

The vocals are Excellent! I like your voice! (you are far too hard on yourself). The harmonies are extraordinary.

The mix is among the best I've heard on this forum. Far better than most...

Great job (kudos to your son, too!)

I enjoyed this - immensely.

fj

Really well done, David It displays a good grasp of songwriting, and I too enjoyed the vocal performance on this. In particular, the harmonies for the chorus sounded really well done. The mix is also superb. It sounds really balances, the the tune flows immaculately.

You should be proud of this one - thanks for sharing!

David,

Really like the vocals here (particularly that melody on the verses), accentuated by a great production. Great job on this one!

All the best,

Deej

I'm glad to hear it!


Wikipedia says it's safe to say his name.

It really is an excellent text - or at least, Alfred Mann's translation of the parts on counterpoint, The Study of Counterpoint. I took it with me on my honeymoon, since it was a cross-continent flight to Bermuda. Stupidly, we picked the off-season to go without doing sufficient research, so there was plenty of time in the hotel to read it, as well as play on the piano I found tucked away in side room, as rain poured outside.


I have a tendency to over-orchestrate, so with this song I didn't add as much as I usually do. As I mentioned, the cello is really, really lovely. It was painful to keep removing more and more of it from the arrangement.

floyd jane's latest song was an excellent reminder, and helped keep me on track.

But... the mix had a lot to do with it as well. When my son got to it, his first reaction was that the kick drum and bass were fighting for the same space. (We put a high pass on the cello, too). Once he fixed that, the problem was there was a lack of mids in the arrangement. Most of the mixing was focused on fixing that. The contrast between the stark initial mix and the more full final mix is pretty stark.


Yeah, I painted myself into a corner with that one! I think I grabbed the form from the demo, and then decided I wanted a little tag at the end so I could have more major 7th chords.

Writing to a pre-existing melody is like having a voice singing lyrics that you can't quite make out. You know them when you get them right... but most of the time, it's "Nope, that's not it."

But making that C section work lyrically meant that the lyric had to emotionally come down at that point, which junked a lot of ideas. Someone more clever than me could have made it work, I'm sure.



I wish it were! I keep having to re-learn to try to say less, and keep it simple. Ask the Quakers about that!

Thanks, it's always good to get your analytical ear.

Well Dave, I am not going to use as many words as you did, but I find this to be an extraordinary mix and arrangement.

It sounds really, really good man--warm and professional, a real treat to the ears. There is SO much detail in here and separation of instruments (great choices too) I was reminded of great analog mixes from the 70s-90s before things started getting squashed.

You really nailed it with this. Gorgeous is about all I can say.

That was great, David. I definitely hear the Bobby Goldsboro vibe in it (and I'm a big Bobby Goldsboro fan).

The vocal is great; however, there are just a few places where you hear the vocal tuning artifact (that's a ProTools thing, right?) overrunning the syllable of the word. Might want to work on just those few places. But I get it when listening to your own voice. I know I usually cringe when I hear my own voice, even though enough people have said it's pleasant enough.

But really enjoyed the song. Excellent work and it shows.

Hi David,

What's not to like? This is as near-perfect as a listener could hope to hear. Your vocals are far better than you perceive them. I got a vibe of somewhere between Bobby Goldsboro (as has been mentioned) and some of John Denver's folk pop songs.Regardless, it was a terrific vibe! Excellent work in every way. Congrats an an excellent project brought to fruition.

Alan

Thanks!

My youngest daughter weighed in this morning with "Dad, it's not extraordinary. It sounds like all your other songs." Which (bless her heart, she takes after her Dad) is true, but it's nice to get feedback from people who take the time to notice the details about a song, and are polite enough to overlook the faults.


I don't want to sound like I'm complaining or looking for compliments. I just figured I'd be honest about the tools that I'm using on the vocals. There's no shame in using tools to achieve a vocal.

All the same, being lazy about vocals isn't something to crow about, so I figured I'd 'fess up to that.

Credit also goes to BiaB, since I literally just sang along with what it generated.

I was having trouble getting the lead vocal to fit with the background, and my son showed me a cool trick - he did a wide EQ cut centered around 5K, to kill the "clarity" of the background, but keep the body. That helped keep the focus on the lead vocal without having raise the volume of the lead.

That's the kind of thing I never would have thought of.


Thanks, I'll let him know!

I'm lucky I've got another pair of ears - especially young ones. There's a lot of stuff that I just don't know to listen for, and he's good at explaining most of what he's doing so I can add to my bag of tricks.

And of course, I kept your maxims in mind - make sure the drums are loud enough, and the vocal integrated into the mix.

Thanks again!

I'm glad to hear it.

Thanks for listening!

Thanks, Deryk. And thanks to PG in general who made all this cool stuff possible. Here's a suggested slogan:

Band in a Box: We make you sound better than you really are!

OK, maybe that needs an edit...

Band in a Box: We make you sound better!



Thanks for listening!

Hi, Deej.

Thanks for the kind words.

I liked this to me it was like an old seekers number, and that's coming from somebody who is a big fan of the seekers.

David,
The only thing wrong with your song is that I started the music before reading your intro...which is a great explanation but now I`m going back to have a proper, undistracted listen to the song!
I like it - yes, I got the Seekers vibe too. Your voice is fine... and I confess that until a few months ago my harmonies have been a mix of the BiaB Helicon generated with my own. Yours sound smooth and right here.
Good work and hats off to your son for the excellent mix.

Robert

Thanks, David!

I think most of the kudos go to my son - there were a lot of tricks he did to each of the instruments that help them sparkle, but not get too brittle. Then everything went through a stereo widener, which really made the guitars pop (they were already fully panned), and then Ozone Elements for more EQ magic.

I'm using Waves Tune, which I've been quite pleased with. The UI is much too small, but it has a lot of features that cost quite a bit more in Melodyne.

You're completely right about the vocal artifacts. Re-singing is really the best thing to do. I'm a very scoopy singer, and even when the pitch is corrected, there are still timbre changes that simply can't be corrected.

There's an especially nasty bit on "the only" that may convince me to fix it, but then I'd lose those nice comments people left on SoundCloud.

So against my better judgement, I'm going to leave it as is... For right now, anyway!

Thanks for listening and commenting!

I don't know much about wave tune, although Ozone Elements are a real nice touch on instruments and vocals.

Thanks!

I hear what you're saying, and appreciate the compliment.

And to be clear, I'm quite pleased with how this turned out.


Thanks! Now I can justify picking up those instruments currently at 50% off at Orange Tree Samples, because I no doubt need to use them in my next song.

Quickly looks up Seekers on YouTube...

Ah, yes! I happily wasted a chunk of time listening to old Seeker songs on YouTube a couple months back. Perhaps some of it rubbed off.

But I'm nowhere as cute as Judith.

Thanks for listening!

Hi, Robert.

Johnny Tedesco had a guitar book filled with lots of useful information, interleaved with amusing anecdotes, ostensibly so that people who had no intention of playing guitar would get some enjoyment from the book.

In a similar vein, if people don't like my song, hopefully they'll find the narrative amusing.

Thanks for stopping by and commenting! I appreciate it.

David,
Definitely your best till date.
Clearly a lot of work went into this and... it paid off!
The vocals are top notch. So is the arrangement.
We had a mild Mike Batt moment with this, which is good we think

Thanks, I appreciate the positive feedback.



I just checked him out on YouTube - I'd heard the Art Garfunkle rendition of Bright Eyes from Watership Down, but didn't know Mike had written it. Cool!

Yes, it's a good thing.

Thanks for stopping by to comment!

Very nice harmonious pop song with good melody, soft arrangement and great vocals. I like how you bring that excellent sounding cello to front at right moments.

Janne

Hi, Janne.

Thanks! It really is a lovely sounding cello.

Interesting to read the Goldsboro references. I grew up only a few miles from his birthplace. He was playing with and individually on a bill with Roy Orbison at the first concert I attended -- in high school...I digress

We always enjoy your backstories. And we are down with floyd that you need to stop hammering yourself regarding the vocals. They sound fine and the harmonies are exquisite. I know nothing about pitch software but whatever you are doing works. So there!

Just a big ole ditto on ALL the accolades that have preceded us.

This is an engaging, well arranged, well written and well mixed production. Nice and lush on the monitors.

Kudos!

J&B

Will do!

The intent of talking about pitch correction sort of backfired. I didn't really want to complain about my vocals, but encourage other people who might not be that confident about their vocals to use it as a tool.

Pitch correction certainly helped me feel better about posting my own vocals, and that's really what I was trying to get across.

So I'll stop complaining!

Thanks!

Like I have a right to suggest that as I'm a guy who complains about my productions until the cows come home! It's in us all...the alternative is the dreaded complacency! BTW, I didn't mean to appear dismissive of pitch correction programs...I'm just ignorant of them.

Cheers,

Bud

Which is great, because you don't need them!

I appreciate the feedback, because it let me know I wasn't doing a good job getting my point across.

Hello, David

Very Pop!
It is an excellent song.
Your vocal is also really comfortable.
I think you have proven that it will be a wonderful arrangement without using additional instruments in particular with only the current ability of BIAB.
If the song needs a classical orchestration, sometimes it is better to add instruments.
I think that it depends on songs.
However, in the case of this song, it is rather harmful.
I think that it is a wonderful completion as it is.
Enjoyed my listen a lot.

Best regards.

Shigeki Adachi

Nice to have those talented young ears around and interested in helping. So cool you can share your hobby with your kids. I thought the vocal should've been a little bit louder. Otherwise really nice arrangement and mix. I like your voice it reminds me of Gilbert O'Sullivan.

Hi, Shigeki,

Thanks for stopping by and commenting! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

I'm not complaining! The kids - now mostly young adults - also sing and play with me in the (literal) Sunday choir, which is nothing less than awesome.


I'll keep that in mind for the next mix. Getting the vocal to sit right in the mix is probably the trickiest bit. I intentionally dialed it back here. My original mix had the vocal more upfront, but was a lot harsher.

Hopefully I'll get closer next time.

Thanks for listening and the feedback!

David

Lot's of well deserved praise. A really pretty number that sounds great.
Excellent composition and mix and a nice melody. Really well done.

Peter

Thanks, Peter!

Good pop song! Especially like the chorus, very strong, and love the harmonies. Nice job on the mix too!

Enjoyed the listen! Also enjoyed reading your production notes, always interesting to see how projects come together.

Hi, David !

Agree with those
who holds this as your
best til date ! : Stunning
- absolutely superb !
I just love it - why do
I get a Carpenter feelin´
from this ? May be your
absolutely superb vocals !!!

Cheers
Dani

Thanks!

I started out this song with a number of intentions, like using more alliteration, and being happy and upbeat. Somehow that didn't happen. But next time, for sure!

I appreciate the positive feedback!

I'm not Richard Carpenter, but I appreciate the complement.

Thanks!

Great work on this dcuny! I found this very easy to listen to and really enjoyed the harmonies, especially the vocals and processing, I really dig the progression and choice of instrumentation too. Fantastic work!

Easy listening seems to be my wheelhouse.

As for the harmonies... I'll again give credit to BiaB, since those were the notes that it came up with, I just sang along as best I could.

Thanks for listening!

David, what outstanding work! I really enjoyed this… To me, this was a complete song… Had all the necessary ingredients and done with great skill…You are inspiring me to dig deeper with my own work… I’d especially like to get to some of the Harmonies that were in this particular work…

My only word of advice—too much guilt and mea culpas in your write-up!! You have nothing to apologize for, this was excellent!!

Ok... I get the idea. No more guilt in the writeup.

A note on the harmonies - what came out of BiaB were pretty unnatural, but blending these with "normal" harmonies worked out well.

I'm glad you enjoyed the song!