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Posted By: Robertkc Three Pale Brothers - 08/23/20 01:39 PM
The mid-60`s British Folk Rock bands gave me an appreciation for the great storytelling (often mixing the supernatural with the romance of lords and ladies) of traditional songs. Subtleties of language are as much the reason I still listen to Pentangle`s House Carpenter or Fairport`s Tam Lin and Reynardine, as much as the fine musicianship.
This gothic tale, using some of the Americana RT`s, attempts a similar blend of ancient and modern.
(Recorded in the midst of moving, mixed on headphones and with all-Helicon harmonies... but you can still point out where I can improve).

Three Pale Brothers
Lyrics on SoundCloud.

Style is _SIERRA.STY (Sierra Mountain Folk)

RealTracks in style: 3496:Bass, Acoustic, AmericanaMountain16thsAB Ev16 070
RealTracks in style: 3155:Mandola, Rhythm AmericanaMountain16thsAndy ev16 070
RealTracks in style: 3185:Guitar, Acoustic, Rhythm Mountain16thsQuinn Ev16 070
RealTracks in style: 3158:Fiddle, 5-string, Rhythm AmericanaMountain16thsABAndy ev16 070
RT833 GuitarAltCountry
RealTracks in song: 3230:Guitar, Electric, Background CinemaHeldLowDarin Ev16 090
RealTracks in song: 3231:Guitar, Electric, Background CinemaHeldHighDarin Ev16 090
RealDrums [in style:ShakerSlow16ths: a: ShakerSlow16thsb: ShakerSlow16ths
RDrums Americana Roots Toms
Posted By: Derochette Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/23/20 03:50 PM
Hello Robertkc,

Beautiful voices and pleasant lyrics. Nice arrangement and very gripping melody. I really enjoyed it.

Thanks

Dero13 alias JaniJackFlash
Posted By: dcuny Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/23/20 04:19 PM
Nice! Enjoyable tune, I think you got everything you were going for. laugh

I didn't even notice the harmonies were synthetic, so I'd call that a success. The harmonies worked well.

Some of it sounded more processed than natural - especially the fiddle parts. Not to say that's bad, just not the sound I associate with the genre.
Posted By: Tano Music Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/23/20 05:55 PM
You did this while you were moving??!? Wow!
Great sound, real nice capture of the genre.
Only weak spot (nit-picky), rhyming "crypt" and "erect"..but it's one of those sacrifices that you probably have to make to keep the story intact.

Enjoyed my listen!
Posted By: Greg Johnson Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/23/20 09:08 PM
Really well done Robert......vintage Robert KC!!! Sounds great!! Take care. Greg
Posted By: Al-David Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/23/20 09:19 PM
Hello Robert ...

You have such an enjoyable and unique sound. I b=believe you crossed all the "T"s and dotted all the "I"s in your effort. You have a warm and classic voice that's so easy to listen to. And your arrangements are always excellent.

I, too, use TC-Helicon for most harmonies, although I don't do a lot of vocals these days.

Wishing you the best. Be safe ...

Alan
Posted By: Birchwood Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/24/20 11:21 AM
Hi Robbert,

As usual you made a very nice song. It doesn't matter if you are on the move, playing with grandchildren, or paining the house. In between you made the most beautiful songs and this one is an excellent example of that I enjoyed it. Of course I also hated those three pale brothers. But what a nice story!

On minor thing; I used voicelife 2 from TC Helicon for some time for my harmonies. It was easy to use, but you always hear some electronic sound in the vocals. I heard it also in your vocals. Not very disturbing, but it's there. Later I started to record every part of my harmonies myself and use melodyne if I need a high vocal. Melodyne is not so easy to handle, but it doesn't generate electronic noise in the vocal. But unlike you, I am not 'on the move' when doing those things.

So, consider the first paragraph being the most important one about your song,

Hans
Posted By: Rustyspoon# Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/24/20 11:52 AM
Robert,
Beautiful tune. Excellent choruses. Flows like a river. Liked it very much. Thank you for sharing!

Misha.
Posted By: TuneMonger Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/24/20 12:03 PM
Very, very good. True to the songs that inspired it. Certainly cast a spell about me as I listened. Helicon harmonies were cool. Great work, RKC, another feather in your cap!
Posted By: Robertkc Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/24/20 01:36 PM
Originally Posted By: Dero13
Hello Robertkc,

Beautiful voices and pleasant lyrics. Nice arrangement and very gripping melody. I really enjoyed it.

Thanks

Dero13 alias JaniJackFlash


Thank you JaniJackFlash!

Originally Posted By: dcuny
Nice! Enjoyable tune, I think you got everything you were going for. laugh

I didn't even notice the harmonies were synthetic, so I'd call that a success. The harmonies worked well.

Some of it sounded more processed than natural - especially the fiddle parts. Not to say that's bad, just not the sound I associate with the genre.


I`m glad you liked this- Helicon harmonies are a last resort but still ok in the background.
The 5-string fiddle on this seems the most natural sounding of the fiddle RT`s to me, but I`ll listen again to see if I added anything.

Originally Posted By: Tano Music
You did this while you were moving??!? Wow!
Great sound, real nice capture of the genre.
Only weak spot (nit-picky), rhyming "crypt" and "erect"..but it's one of those sacrifices that you probably have to make to keep the story intact.

Enjoyed my listen!


The song was written well before our crazy time, but having an hour to record vocals before packing up,the beauty of the software is that the rest can be done sitting on a box with a laptop.
Yes, that`s a poor rhyme... its also the song`s punchline, so "crypt" was non-negotiable!
Your listen and comments are appreciated.

Robert
Posted By: Chris Dent Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/24/20 10:16 PM
Great song. Love the poetry in the lyrics.
Posted By: jptjptjpt Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/25/20 12:29 AM
Well done. Story songs are hard but you did it here. I really love that fiddle player. It really adds a great touch to the song. Cool lyrics. Haunting lyrics. Great arrangement. Great use of BIAB. "Lie, lie, lie, to a pair of blue eyes." I like that a lot.
Posted By: animarorecords Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/25/20 02:16 AM
Robert,

Great song!
This song is exactly the sound of your favorite genre.
It is full of originality.
I can see the ingenious chord progression as usual.
Especially the usage of Db is wonderful.
Your vocal fits this perfectly.
Enjoyed my listen a lot.

Best regards.

Shigeki Adachi
Posted By: Janice & Bud Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/25/20 03:57 PM
Irrespective of the intervening issues with recording that is a fine RT/RD band
and vocal performance.

The toms were a very nice addition to the RD.

As Janice said, "he achieved that Gothic feel that he mentioned."

Yes he did and he melded it with a romantic overlay.

As is characteristic with your writes you painted a very vivid landscape with the lyric.

Well done!

J&B
Posted By: tommyad Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/25/20 06:03 PM
Robert, this is a great example of how to combine real tracks to really fit the feel of the song. An interesting lyric and very well sung. You surely have captured the essence of genre. A unique chord structure that works with the melody makes this an excellent listen. Tom
Posted By: Robertkc Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/25/20 10:17 PM
Originally Posted By: Greg Johnson
Really well done Robert......vintage Robert KC!!! Sounds great!! Take care. Greg


Thank you Greg!

Originally Posted By: Al-David
Hello Robert ...

You have such an enjoyable and unique sound. I b=believe you crossed all the "T"s and dotted all the "I"s in your effort. You have a warm and classic voice that's so easy to listen to. And your arrangements are always excellent.

I, too, use TC-Helicon for most harmonies, although I don't do a lot of vocals these days.

Wishing you the best. Be safe ...

Alan


Alan,
I appreciate those positive comments; nowadays I try to do my own harmonies, but when time or my dropping register compels, Helicon is nice to have.


Originally Posted By: Birchwood
Hi Robbert,

As usual you made a very nice song. It doesn't matter if you are on the move, playing with grandchildren, or paining the house. In between you made the most beautiful songs and this one is an excellent example of that I enjoyed it. Of course I also hated those three pale brothers. But what a nice story!

On minor thing; I used voicelife 2 from TC Helicon for some time for my harmonies. It was easy to use, but you always hear some electronic sound in the vocals. I heard it also in your vocals. Not very disturbing, but it's there. Later I started to record every part of my harmonies myself and use melodyne if I need a high vocal. Melodyne is not so easy to handle, but it doesn't generate electronic noise in the vocal. But unlike you, I am not 'on the move' when doing those things.

So, consider the first paragraph being the most important one about your song,

Hans


Thank you Hans; I`m glad you didn`t sympathize with those brothers and enjoyed this song.
I only have the most basic version of Melodyne so had to settle for that slightly "tinned"sound on harmonies here; maybe they`ll get redone some day.




Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#
Robert,
Beautiful tune. Excellent choruses. Flows like a river. Liked it very much. Thank you for sharing!

Misha.


Thank you Misha!

Robert
Posted By: PeterF Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/26/20 09:26 PM
Robert

One of your nicest melodies and vocal,and a lovely lilting tune.

Perfectly captures the feel you mentioned.

Excellent all round.

Peter
Posted By: Deej56 Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/27/20 01:03 AM
Robert,

Great title . . . how could I not listen to a song called “Three Pale Brothers”—particularly with that album cover. And that chorus is an ear worm. Really cool write (structured, poetic, haunting), outstanding vocals and production. I think easily my favorite from you. Outstanding!!!

My very humble regards,

Deej
Posted By: rayc Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/27/20 05:48 AM
I'm quite fan of the moderately electric British folk sound...I recently bought an album by Steeleye Span. SUPERB stuff and based upon the Terry Pratchet book too.
You did a fine job Robert...string vocal performance and good arrangement...with an enigmatic horror story too.
Posted By: David Snyder Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/27/20 10:42 AM
Awesome!

What a great sound and mix!
Posted By: Robertkc Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/27/20 08:30 PM
Originally Posted By: TuneMonger
Very, very good. True to the songs that inspired it. Certainly cast a spell about me as I listened. Helicon harmonies were cool. Great work, RKC, another feather in your cap!


Good to hear you heard my influences.Thanks for listening and commenting.

Originally Posted By: Chris Dent
Great song. Love the poetry in the lyrics.


Thank you Chris!

Originally Posted By: jptjptjpt
Well done. Story songs are hard but you did it here. I really love that fiddle player. It really adds a great touch to the song. Cool lyrics. Haunting lyrics. Great arrangement. Great use of BIAB. "Lie, lie, lie, to a pair of blue eyes." I like that a lot.


Establishing a strong form made the write easier; it could have gone on a lot longer
like those trad. English songs which were my inspiration.
I`m glad you liked the mountain fiddle.


Originally Posted By: animarorecords
Robert,

Great song!
This song is exactly the sound of your favorite genre.
It is full of originality.
I can see the ingenious chord progression as usual.
Especially the usage of Db is wonderful.
Your vocal fits this perfectly.
Enjoyed my listen a lot.

Best regards.

Shigeki Adachi


Thanks for those kind comments Shigeki!


Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud
Irrespective of the intervening issues with recording that is a fine RT/RD band
and vocal performance.

The toms were a very nice addition to the RD.

As Janice said, "he achieved that Gothic feel that he mentioned."

Yes he did and he melded it with a romantic overlay.

As is characteristic with your writes you painted a very vivid landscape with the lyric.

Well done!

J&B





J&B,
I think its cool many of the Americana RT`s ( like those toms) work well for this kind of song.
The lyrics were written after reading some E.A.Poe stories-now there`s a gothic master.
Thank you for your listens and support

Robert
Posted By: MarioD Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/27/20 08:46 PM
Robert, you captured that genre perfectly!

Everything about this is top shelf.
Posted By: musician17 Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/28/20 11:47 AM
Very medieval/Renaissance-sounding. Your usual enigmatic, everything and nothing clearly stated in the lyrics at the same time. Beautifully sung.

One of your most memorable songs, for me. But that's hard to say, because your quality is always high, so there's not much in between your songs :-) . Still, loved this one a lot - I'm not technically good enough to pinpoint 100% accurately why, but I loved it anyway. Congrats!
Posted By: Ezekiel's Storm Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/28/20 09:26 PM
That chorus really grips you. Nice sounding instrumentation and harmonies there.
Posted By: floyd jane Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/29/20 02:48 PM
Robert,

You are hitting on all cylinders here. Playing to all of your strengths and the end result is superb.

A perfect melding of lyric and melody and vocal and BAND. A gorgeous production. A perfect combination of instruments. Can't imagine this being done any better.

Excellent mix. A delightful listen. One of your very best.

fj
Posted By: Scott C Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/29/20 09:23 PM
Excellent tune Robert. Loved the vocal and lyric. The harmonies were a very nice add. Loving the scratch of the fiddle. Never know where that is going to popup again. Well done
Posted By: Robertkc Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/29/20 10:47 PM
Originally Posted By: tommyad
Robert, this is a great example of how to combine real tracks to really fit the feel of the song. An interesting lyric and very well sung. You surely have captured the essence of genre. A unique chord structure that works with the melody makes this an excellent listen. Tom


Tom,
A British folk song done with American folk and rock instruments- glad you liked it!

Originally Posted By: PeterF
Robert

One of your nicest melodies and vocal,and a lovely lilting tune.

Perfectly captures the feel you mentioned.

Excellent all round.

Peter


Thanks for those positive comments Peter... now if only I could remember what led to that melody!

Originally Posted By: Deej56
Robert,

Great title . . . how could I not listen to a song called “Three Pale Brothers”—particularly with that album cover. And that chorus is an ear worm. Really cool write (structured, poetic, haunting), outstanding vocals and production. I think easily my favorite from you. Outstanding!!!

My very humble regards,

Deej


Deej,
The picture is from a Harry Potter story, the title and song idea from my own strange imagination ( though I am one of three brothers!).
I appreciate your listen and kind comments.



Originally Posted By: rayc
I'm quite fan of the moderately electric British folk sound...I recently bought an album by Steeleye Span. SUPERB stuff and based upon the Terry Pratchet book too.
You did a fine job Robert...string vocal performance and good arrangement...with an enigmatic horror story too.


Ray,
I`ll catch up with Steeleye Span again- they keep going where others faded long ago!
Its encouraging to get the approval of someone who knows the genre- thank you.

Originally Posted By: David Snyder
Awesome!

What a great sound and mix!


Thank you David!

Robert
Posted By: Leon1 Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/30/20 11:22 PM
Hi Robert
I'm a big fan of the genre (Fairport and all their off-shoots in particular) and you've done a fine job of getting that blend of traditional and modern. Very nice work.
Regards,
Leon
Posted By: Robertkc Re: Three Pale Brothers - 08/31/20 02:02 PM
Originally Posted By: MarioD
Robert, you captured that genre perfectly!

Everything about this is top shelf.


Thank you Mario!

Originally Posted By: musician17
Very medieval/Renaissance-sounding. Your usual enigmatic, everything and nothing clearly stated in the lyrics at the same time. Beautifully sung.

One of your most memorable songs, for me. But that's hard to say, because your quality is always high, so there's not much in between your songs :-) . Still, loved this one a lot - I'm not technically good enough to pinpoint 100% accurately why, but I loved it anyway. Congrats!


With the song`s length reduced a few verses ( how did the brothers end up in a crypt?) for the sake of not overdoing things, I had to leave some questions ... those trad. English songs often go on forever!
I`m glad you enjoyed this- thanks for commenting.


Originally Posted By: floyd jane
Robert,

You are hitting on all cylinders here. Playing to all of your strengths and the end result is superb.

A perfect melding of lyric and melody and vocal and BAND. A gorgeous production. A perfect combination of instruments. Can't imagine this being done any better.

Excellent mix. A delightful listen. One of your very best.

fj


Floyd,
I really appreciate that; particularly on the band chosen and production quality.
Onward and upward!

Robert
Posted By: jannesan Re: Three Pale Brothers - 09/01/20 03:21 PM
I'm not familiar with the genre, but I like the dark imagery, also the use of colors to describe each person, it would be interesting to analyze the story deeper smile I enjoy the smooth folky band with the addition of the more modern Darin guitars. Very good balanced mix. Great intro and ending, the chorus is simple but good and catchy to sing along and remember.

Janne
Posted By: Robertkc Re: Three Pale Brothers - 09/02/20 04:23 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott C
Excellent tune Robert. Loved the vocal and lyric. The harmonies were a very nice add. Loving the scratch of the fiddle. Never know where that is going to popup again. Well done


Scott,
I just realised I`ve used that fiddle on 3 songs in a month... our next offering being the benchmark,of course!
Thanks for your listen.


Originally Posted By: Ezekiel's Storm
That chorus really grips you. Nice sounding instrumentation and harmonies there.


Thank you!

Originally Posted By: Leon1
Hi Robert
I'm a big fan of the genre (Fairport and all their off-shoots in particular) and you've done a fine job of getting that blend of traditional and modern. Very nice work.
Regards,
Leon


Leon,
Nice to know someone here can relate to my influences; I appreciate your informed comments!


Originally Posted By: jannesan
I'm not familiar with the genre, but I like the dark imagery, also the use of colors to describe each person, it would be interesting to analyze the story deeper smile I enjoy the smooth folky band with the addition of the more modern Darin guitars. Very good balanced mix. Great intro and ending, the chorus is simple but good and catchy to sing along and remember.

Janne


Janne,
Thank you; the use of a simple form ( different colours and character traits) to describe the brothers made it easier to follow the story- at least that was my intention!
I`m glad you found something of interest in this.

Robert
Posted By: Angelomusic Re: Three Pale Brothers - 09/03/20 01:22 PM
Very nice song and arrangement. I could definitely see this tune part of a movie! You did a great job there!
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