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Solo & Mute Buttons At Last!!  wishfull thinking ? 
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Hi Musocity
Where does one find the button for the new mixer in Realband i can`t find it anywhere and looking closly at your pitcher i cant see it on your computer just the ordinary mixer
regards Dave
I always play the right notes but not always in the right order
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Hi Dave - Quote:
i can`t find it anywhere
That's because there isn't one. He has simply superimposed the BIAB mixer onto the RealBand screen, hence the "wishful thinking" comment.
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Which is really silly since there are solo and mute buttons on the Tracks screen behind the mixer..
Make your sound your own!
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Which is really silly since there are solo and mute buttons on the Tracks screen behind the mixer..
I can't see them, i only see one blue solo button
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Clicking the checkmark on a track (by the track name) will mute it.
Highlite any track and solo it.
I realize it is one more click to solo a track.
Make your sound your own!
.. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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As I said in another post, you can ctrl-click multiple tracks to solo them. However, as Musocity pointed out, you can't then select multiple bars from the chord chart to play; it selects all tracks when you do that. But in the tracks and mixer window, you can ctrl-click to select multiple tracks to solo.
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thanks john i only asked as im having problems getting the volumes to stay i`m using garritans aria and its very hard to keep the volumes at a level they seem to drift when you shut down the mixer on the Aria which you use first to set the volumes on the tracks you use the big band and jazzband instruments on,so you can never get the tracks volumes to stay ok over all and the main mixer seems a bit useless overall
regards Dave
I always play the right notes but not always in the right order
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You do know the existing mixer window can be sized to float over the tracks window.
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A lot of work telling us something we already know!
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A lot of work telling us something we already know!
we meaning everyone ?
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I don't understand?!?! RB has solo buttons on both the tracks view and the Mixer view?!?!
ML, what am i missing? I can solo one or all the tracks in RB, 1. hold down ctrl and hit click each track you want and hit solo. 2. hold ctrl, and click the solo button on each track.
The solo is the "S" button on the tool bar, and the mute is the green check mark on each track.
Are you saying that it does not stay solo-ed? Or that you want a solo button on each track?
Please clarify.
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In RB at the moment it is a pain in the ass soloing the tracks you need to hear and them staying soloed especially if you are working with a hell of a lot of tracks.
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Repeating what you said does not clarify what you mean, although i understand now. It is there, just a different step process, i guess i am just so used to it.
Is the fact that you click any track and it unsolos the others what you object to?
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Ok click the blue solo button, use the ctrl key to select the tracks you want to solo
now select the region you want to hear
now click "Play Selected Area"
now select another region you want to hear
now click "Play Selected Area"
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Where is this "play selected area"? I looked under every tab and could not find it. I right clicked the track in the wave file, and the track area.
I did as you asked I was able to:
1. solo any or all tracks i want with the ctrl key and those played fine.
2. select a region or area of a track, and hold ctrl, and have the selected area apply to more than one track. But hitting play made it play the soloed tracks but not the selected areas only, it kept playing after the highlighted area, and only on the soloed tracks.
Next i opened cakewalk MC5 and selected two tracks to solo and selected an area, and it played both selected tracks, but did not single out the highlighted areas.
Are you looping an area? I was able to set a looped region and solo it, and add other tracks to the solo with ctrl i can release any and change from one to another.
Yes in RB, if you solo two or three tracks and then click on one of them to select a region it will cancel the solo and apply it to that track only. In MC5 it will stay soloed, but not do anything else. SO you might not have the feature to hold the solo-ed tracks, but in MC5 you can't one click and release the solos so one is not really better it is just a different approach.
Am I still missing the point, or did i understand, and just don't see the importance of this?
I really am being sincere.
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Hey man one click will save all this hassle. "solo click" No one is saying that you can't solo tracks in RB, but when your are using it every day time is wasted, I want to solo the tracks i want and STAY soloed no mater what i do. For the work you do you are obviously happy with how it works and don't need PG to improve anything.  Industry Standard 
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A lot of work telling us something we already know!
we meaning everyone ?
Yes. I doubt that there's anyone here that doesn't know that the mixer in RB doesn't follow the standard console layout. Yes I would also like the M S R buttons for each track. I would also like to choose the recording source for each track from a drop down however I can live without them also.
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Solo is missing, but doable, mute is actually there it just is not called mute, record is handled differently instead of arming a track, like Sonar or Cubase you highlight it and then hit record.
So I understand what you want, you want RB to function like all other programs out there, "Industry Standard" as you call it. Cool I guess I would be fine with that addition, although that means that the other side of it will not be the same. No longer can you cancel soloed track with out clicking each one of them. So you save a step on one end, and add one on the other. I would have to mull that over a while to see if it is a net gain.
One think to think about, there is a lot about RB, and PTPA for that matter that is not Industry standard. If it was would it be unique.
There are a few upgrade that most of us feel are needed, like finally adding a true node based automation feature, rather than the drag in piano roll, or fader record like it has now.
Oh and the picture you used for illustration, well many folks drive an automatic transmission, so your industry standard might not be someone elses. Just sayin'
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thanks john i only asked as im having problems getting the volumes to stay i`m using garritans aria and its very hard to keep the volumes at a level they seem to drift when you shut down the mixer on the Aria which you use first to set the volumes on the tracks you use the big band and jazzband instruments on,so you can never get the tracks volumes to stay ok over all and the main mixer seems a bit useless overall
regards Dave
Dave, you have a confusing way of writing but if I'm understanding you correctly, your problem with individual track volumes can be related to your midi file itself. There have been tons of posts about that problem especially with midi files you download from the internet. Check your event list (hit F2 per track) to see if there's any embedded CC7 volume controllers. If there are then that's your problem. You can change the sliders all you want but as soon as you hit play again, RB is reading that embedded volume and changes it back. You need to either be aware of that and work around it or delete those and create new ones. If you delete all embedded CC7's then your mixer moves and volume sliders will stick. The reason I say you may want to keep those and work around it is because some midi's I've downloaded are actually very good and the person wrote in some good dynamics into the file. Once I realized what's happening I also realized I didn't want to delete all those because I like having some dynamics in most tunes. Other midi's, those CC7's are not for dymanics, they're just for the overall track to track mix and the mix in the file doesn't work with the synth I'm using so those I will either change or delete.
This situation is why people shouldn't lump Real Band with Biab. They're totally different programs. RB is a audio/midi sequencer and it's designed for this kind of detailed work with midi files, Biab is not. Plopping Biab's mixer into RB would do nothing with embedded CC7's in a midi file.
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Jford had a good point, about not being able to select certain tracks from the chords view, you could select a range of bars, but it played all tracks. But last i check no other DAW had a Chords view, so really that is not a deficency really. That view is not for soloing and testing parts of track per se.
Is not the mute button the same as a reverse solo?
Could you not open the chords view above the mixer view and highlight a range or bars and mute the tracks you do not want to hear, and leave the others "live"?
Seems like a decent workaround for now.
I remember a discussion a few years back on another forum board regarding the difference between mute ansd solo. Seems that they do exactly the same thing only backwards.
I also remember Rharv telling me once that all the tools are there, they are just a tad different from usual. Kind of the OP's point i think.
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Workflow is important though; more so to some than others. I happen to find RB (and PT)intuitive, but I cut my teeth with them. I find Audition to be very cumbersome. Reaper I can deal with, but still not 'comfortable'. TBH this whole idea should be in the wishlist forum where Peter and Jeff may see it better. I wouldn't mind seeing it as an added feature. May not use it much but others may. If it makes the program better for some (without causing problems) why not? I still want a single click to the mastering FX section (A1 FX) with one click ... so I just keep asking.
I may the only one asking though. They could call it the rharv version! (and blame me if people don't like it).
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Musocity,
Many thanks for the suggestions, and the screenshots. I agree with that idea, of the M S R buttons, hopefully it is something we can add.
Have Fun!
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Make your sound your own!
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There's all kinds of room on that tracks window to function as both. Shame that you have to flip/stack/arrange, just to do a simple task like mutes/solos/etc.
In that huge circle on the left in each track showing a depiction of a waveform - there's where you put them.
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"M S R buttons"
Great, no need for massive long discussion, it's a no brainer, just do it already.
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