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Please let's end this here. I never said that RB wasn't a product that came from a melding of Powertracks and BiaB.
I never said it had less features than PTPA, I said it had more and I never said it was less powerful than anything.
My only point, which I seem to not have made very well, was that I don't use it. That's all.
And yes neither one is on the same level as Reaper. That's why I still use PowerTracks. Otherwise I'd be using Cubase.
This was never meant to be a debate on which is better. I thought I made that clear. It is just my preference in the way I work and what I use. If any of my information about Realband has been wrong, it's only because I used what other users here have said on the forum and not from my own experience. I'm sorry if anyone thinks I dissed Realband, but I haven't, at all. I just don't use it the same as others have stated in this thread. The replies to my posts are just plain provocative.
Please stop, I agree with you. To everyone who uses RealBand, Wayne doesn't dislike Realband, he just doesn't use it! Make believe I had a megaphone and was just making an announcement. Anything else would imply I'm angry. I didn't use all caps, because that would say I'm angry and I'm not.
This really should have stopped with, "You are certainly welcome to your opinion Wayne" We both are. If anyone else feels they need the have last word and correct me, knock yourself out.
I come onto these forums and post trying to help. I spent some time telling Eddie about another problem he was having with recording. I told him about my battle with USB ports and hubs. Maybe it wasn't Eddie, maybe it was in this thread, I don't remember anymore.
Wayne, thank you,
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I have the TC harmonizer but I had to buy powertracks to get it, just wondering does the TC come with realband now or you still have to buy powertracks?
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Has been included in RB for some time now.
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I won't call you Jackass. Maybe a little bullheaded.
It worked in Sonar. Just for the heck of it try plugging back in to the hub. It may have been just a loose connection and then you unplugged it & put it in the computer and it worked.Try a different port in the hub.Just to carry this further.
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Hi jazzmandan,
Do you know which version of RB did it start in? I have 2009 but maybe I'm not looking for it in the right place.
I like that feature, the TC harmonizer. Sometimes I get something really nice out of it. Other times I really make a mess, but it's always fun. The setting are so simple and they just beg me to push them too far. lol
Wayne,
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In Realband it is under the Track menu item and reads "Apply Audio (vocal) Harmony using PTW or BiaB..."
Since to get Realband you have to have BiaB I think it still pulls it from there technically, or from PTW if you have it.
Make your sound your own!
.. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Cool, Thanks Bob. (I think I called you Harv a few times, sorry. Hope your name is Bob.)
Again, thanks, good to know. (making another addition to my PG Tips Text file)
Wayne,
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I have had problems with USB hubs also. That is why I always install a PCI/USB card in my music computers. If you google PCI USB cards you will find most cost from $9 to $20 USD. I only use one USB hub and that is for things I plug and unplug a lot, things like flash drives and USB external hard drives.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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I have had problems with USB hubs also. That is why I always install a PCI/USB card in my music computers. If you google PCI USB cards you will find most cost from $9 to $20 USD. I only use one USB hub and that is for things I plug and unplug a lot, things like flash drives and USB external hard drives.
Great Idea for a desk top. Get a powered hub for a lappy.
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Sorry - don't believe the Harmonizer is in RB 2011.5.
It just links up with either BIAB or the PTPA Harmonizer via a menu choice . . . and right now
the RB connection/harmonizer in the 2011.5 (3) does not work on my computer . . . but it should. Check
the post at the end of this Forum page.
Of course while having PT, I can use my RB SEQ file and take it into PT and do the harmony there - Handy to have PT as backup.
Cheers - Ian
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Hi, Ian - Have you tried the RealBand Build 4 Update, which came out yesterday. It says it addressed some harmonizer issues.
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Hi Ian,
So if it shows up in my 2009 RealBand, it may be because I also have Powertracks? Think that's possible?
Wayne,
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Hi Ian,
So if it shows up in my 2009 RealBand, it may be because I also have Powertracks? Think that's possible?
Wayne,
Yes.
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Thank you Matt, I've been posting myself into a corner lately. I got something right! This was me when this thread began <a href="[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/65793961@N06/6005050719/" target="_blank">  </a>]Me then[/url] Now look! <a href="[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/65793961@N06/5987362083/" target="_blank">  </a>]And now[/url] Boy, oh boy. lol That last one is me now. I artsied it up so you all couldn't see how old I really look. Wayne, P.S. I just renewed my Drivers license and the woman looked at my old one and said, Oh my, what happenned? I replied, Music. As I hobbled out the door with my cane, I could hear here crying, How sad.
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I have had problems with USB hubs also. That is why I always install a PCI/USB card in my music computers. If you google PCI USB cards you will find most cost from $9 to $20 USD. I only use one USB hub and that is for things I plug and unplug a lot, things like flash drives and USB external hard drives.
This computer has 6 USBs, and if i need more I will take the 4 USB port card out of another computer and put it in this one. I used the hub only because some of the devices are wide and take away access to the USB port next to it, and the ports on the hub are vertical. (Specifically the wireless NIC, which is the "thumb drive" style, but it comes with an extension pedestal/cradle that I since started using. And originally I had a bluetooth keyboard and mouse in an effort to be as cable free as possible, and that had a thumb drive sized receiver as well that was too wide, but those are out now too.) It was mainly for ease of access as my 60 year old body is tired of bending and crawling. I need to move things around up there anyway so my work table is in the middle of the wall instead of one end. I am too close to one of the near field monitors, like right under it, and that makes it hard to mix.
I am using the new 1040XTRAEZ form this year. It has just 2 lines.
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I create all my "bed" tracks in BIAB and then export everything to Sonar Studio to do all the mixing and live recording. I don't use RB. I probably should learn parts of it, because it seems to have some good functionality. But I do all my mix downs and recoding in Sonar, because I know that better.
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Eddie, you're very similar to a good friend of mine which is why on the one hand I think we could be good buds but on the other I want to slap you sometimes. Other's will say "glad you fixed it" and drop it but not me. You ranted and ranted about all kinds of irrelevant crap when the problem was the classic "musician 101" stage problem: Check your connections. Again for the guys in the back row: CHECK YOUR CONNECTIONS.
Personally I think you should revisit the several other threads you put a rant in that was based on your frustrations here like the playing a keyboard live with Biab thread and correct things.
This kind of 5 page thread is what gives a lot of potential users a bad feeling about this software and is very unfair to PG Music.
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Good observation Bob, When I did tech support many years ago, on site for Typesetting networks, I always came into shops that were freaking out because something like the Typsetting machine itself was dead. That meant their whole operation was down. They worked on a very time sensitive schedule and they usually didn't have an extra $30 grand machine lying around as a backup.
The first thing I did was check the power cord in the wall. I'm sure you know that many times the plug fell out of the wall and the whole service call wasn't needed if they just would have checked the plug. And when they called we would ask them to check it before we came and they all swore they did.
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Eddie, you're very similar to a good friend of mine which is why on the one hand I think we could be good buds but on the other I want to slap you sometimes. Other's will say "glad you fixed it" and drop it but not me. You ranted and ranted about all kinds of irrelevant crap when the problem was the classic "musician 101" stage problem: Check your connections. Again for the guys in the back row: CHECK YOUR CONNECTIONS.
Personally I think you should revisit the several other threads you put a rant in that was based on your frustrations here like the playing a keyboard live with Biab thread and correct things.
This kind of 5 page thread is what gives a lot of potential users a bad feeling about this software and is very unfair to PG Music.
Bob
Well, if you weren't right, I'd argue with you some more.....
I come from a tech support world where people call me and whatever is wrong is somehow MY fault, even after a lightning strike has cooked their motherboard. I have found myself somehow adopting that "I want this fixed NOW" attitude even when the problem may not be clear to anybody but me. The reason that connections did not seem to be relevant was that everything worked in Sonar. However, that was an incorrect assumption on my part. My studio computer has been in place since early June and has been powered off and on exactly 3 times after Windows 7 setup. I never power cycle it. And of course, power cycling rests everything, so..... Add that to taking the USB hub out of the loop.... voila....
I can not apologize enough to people who may have been rubbed the wrong way when I got on my roll but it is all I have to offer from here.
You really want to hear something, I will tape the call the next time I have to call my ISP and they ask me if my modem is plugged in.... I remember calling my cable people once and they actually asked me if my television was plugged in. My reply was "Do you seriously that when I went to sleep last night I got on the floor, crawled under the stand that has a 55 inch TV on it and unplugged it? You put your TV where it is going to be and it stays plugged in until you move. What kind of ridiculous question is that?"
For some reason, she did not see the humor in that....
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"My studio computer has been in place since early June and has been powered off and on exactly 3 times after Windows 7 setup"
I find that if something is not working right one of the first things I try is reboot the computer.
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.......... I never power cycle it. And of course, power cycling rests everything, so..... Add that to taking the USB hub out of the loop.... voila....
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But you haven't put the hub back into the loop for testing as a couple of us have suggested. Being a problem solver (like many of us), aren't you curious to know for sure whether the issue was in the hub or in the MAudio interface? I know I am, and it's not totally idle curiosity, either. It could help with future configuration/purchase decisions. -Ron
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