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#125598 - 08/15/11 10:28 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Change Sharps to Flats (Enharmonic Equivalents)
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Hi All!

I know I read about this in the manual, but for the life of me can not find it again!

There's a way to change the way a chord is displayed on the "chordsheet" (enharmonic equivalents).

I want to change a sharp chord to a flat chord.

For instance... Change a F# Maj7 chord to a Gb Maj7 chord.

Can someone show me how to do this?

Thanks,

Harpo
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#125599 - 08/15/11 04:14 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Change Sharps to Flats (Enharmonic Equivalents) [Re: Harpo]
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I would like to know how to do this as well...

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#125600 - 08/15/11 07:12 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Change Sharps to Flats (Enharmonic Equivalents) [Re: pgodfrin]
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In the "Editable Notation Mode" (where you go to edit notes)right-click a note, click "Edit Note" and go to the "Force Accidental" button.
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#125601 - 08/15/11 07:46 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Change Sharps to Flats (Enharmonic Equivalents) [Re: PhillyJazz]
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Well, that works well for notes, but not for chords, which is what the first two posters want.

There is "Use chord scale for enharmonics" in the Options, Preferences, Notation which controls enharmonic choice of note within a chord, but does nothing to the chord itself.

BIAB is so chord-oriented that I'm not sure how such a feature would be implemented. However, there is Edit, Search/Replace Chords, so you could do it semi-automatically within a whole song.

Not the answer you were looking for...
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#125602 - 08/15/11 08:49 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Change Sharps to Flats (Enharmonic Equivalents) [Re: Matt Finley]
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If I understand this question correctly, you should be able to right-click the chord in the chord window, select chord setting from the menu, then the "chord subs" button. For the chord F#m7, I saw a Gbm7 listed and selected it. It changed to Gbm7 on the chord sheet and I saved ... worked on my machine...

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#125603 - 08/15/11 10:15 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Change Sharps to Flats (Enharmonic Equivalents) [Re: bebopfive]
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Thanks folks. I'm looking at a G#7 - the chord subs don't show Ab7 - any other ideas?
pg

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#125604 - 08/15/11 10:39 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Change Sharps to Flats (Enharmonic Equivalents) [Re: pgodfrin]
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I was able to change a G#7 to an Ab7 in the chord window and retain it without right-clicking and going to the Chord Subs area. Are you able to do that?

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#125605 - 08/15/11 10:55 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Change Sharps to Flats (Enharmonic Equivalents) [Re: bebopfive]
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Ken, that's worth stating the obvious, that one may simply type the enharmonic equivalent chord into the chordsheet. You can have F#Maj7 and GbMaj7 in the same bar.

I was making the assumption that the OP was looking for some BIAB command or process.
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#125606 - 08/16/11 12:03 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Change Sharps to Flats (Enharmonic Equivalents) [Re: Matt Finley]
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Matt, you may be right! I was not thinking in that direction...Ha!
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#125607 - 08/16/11 06:25 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Change Sharps to Flats (Enharmonic Equivalents) [Re: bebopfive]
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What wasn't said was if it was an imported MIDI or the results of ACW. If that's the case, I would just try typing the replacement (enharmonic) chord over whatever is there. I think that should be the easy way, as long as you're not playing with chords like B#, Cb, E#, or Fb.
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#125608 - 08/16/11 01:44 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Change Sharps to Flats (Enharmonic Equivalents) [Re: jford]
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In most cases, changing the song key will take care of the chord root appearances. For example, If I start a song in Ab and type in:

Gm7b5 | G#Maj7


... I just have to changed the key of the song (anything other than Ab), then back to Ab (choosing "Yes" to "OK to transpose WorkSheet" both times). After doing that the chords will appear:


Gm7b5 | AbMaj7
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#125609 - 08/16/11 03:25 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Change Sharps to Flats (Enharmonic Equivalents) [Re: Blake]
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Thanks, Blake. I know this works sometimes but not often for me, so I did not recommend it to the OP.

Do you know exactly what the operating rules are for this, so my chances of having it work would improve?
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#125610 - 08/16/11 04:05 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Change Sharps to Flats (Enharmonic Equivalents) [Re: Matt Finley]
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As far as I know, it should work if all the chord roots are in a natural diatonic scale. For example:

C, D, E, F, G, A, B

So that scale transposed up a semi-tone should yield:

Db, Eb, F, Gb, Ab, Bb, C


rather than something like:

Db, D#, F, Gb, Ab, A#, C


I am not sure what the operating rules are for any non-obvious (to the computer) mode changes from the chosen key in the song.
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