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Stuck at the moment: I cannot seem to get the midi into the VLT to control harmony. How do I know? primarily because the manual says I should be seeing the midi LCD's on the VLT blinking to indicate traffic but I see no blinking lights and second my ear does not hear the harmonies changing with chords. You guys (gals) with a voicelive, do you see the midi LCD's blinking when you send a midi signal to the VL? 
Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper
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I cannot seem to get the midi into the VLT to control harmony. How do I know? primarily because the manual says I should be seeing the midi LCD's on the VLT blinking to indicate traffic but I see no blinking lights and second my ear does not hear the harmonies changing with chords.
You guys (gals) with a voicelive, do you see the midi LCD's blinking when you send a midi signal to the VL?
check list:
1) your track is set to the same midi channel as the device?
2) Is a port assigned to it? is the track using the same port?
3) if it's a USB connection, in your MIDI device selection, is the USB device selected as one of your midi devices?
4) or, if it has a regular MIDI input, is the port assigned to the device physically plugged into the device?
5)is and the connection solid? Not partially plugged?
6) is the device turned on? does it get its power from the USB cable, or a wall wart?
7) are you sure the MIDI or USB cable is good?
8) if plugged into a power strip, is the strip turned on?
Um, that's about all the reasons I can think of for it to not work.
It's gotta be one of those things... either that, or it's something else
first thing I'd check is the port. People tend to get the channel right but forget that the port needs to match too.
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Here is my RB setup for the Voice Live Touch - the only cable is the USB from the computer to the VLT which is communicating all other info - Real Band and the VLT Now there are indeed lots of configurations on the VLT itself - if the RB setup looks ok I will again revisit all of them. Thanks much for the troubleshooting. dan
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All good stuff, thanks Pat. check list: 1) your track is set to the same midi channel as the device? Channel 5 on both devices 2) Is a port assigned to it? is the track using the same port? On RB I have Port 5, but I don't have a similar option on the VLT - it only specifies the channel 3) if it's a USB connection, in your MIDI device selection, is the USB device selected as one of your midi devices? It is USB and this should be set 6) is the device turned on? does it get its power from the USB cable, or a wall wart? OK, good questions I did recheck all is good. 7) are you sure the MIDI or USB cable is good? USB cable is communicating all other info. 8) if plugged into a power strip, is the strip turned on? OK, double checked all is good. Um, that's about all the reasons I can think of for it to not work. It's gotta be one of those things... either that, or it's something else first thing I'd check is the port. People tend to get the channel right but forget that the port needs to match too.
Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper
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OMG, you are not going to believe this.... There was always too major compliants I have read about this unit, 1) poor manual - so it is what it is, and 2) very limited space for all the plugins - so guess what, I had my midi cable plugged into the XLR out because I simply could not see what I was doing... midi is now transferring via the midi cable and the lights are blinking. This doesn't yet explain why the USB transfer was not working - but I bet I'll soon find out. Here is the answer that explaines it: http://www.tc-helicon.com/download/manua...ters%20List.pdfthere is actually a very complex set of menus and submenus in this little box, finding this sheet was a big help since little to none of this is in the manual. Also, TC helicon does provide some good videos on operations of the menu system (again none in the manual). Bottom line, I am a happy camper, as I climb the leaning curve with this little box.. 
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2) Is a port assigned to it? is the track using the same port?
On RB I have Port 5, but I don't have a similar option on the VLT - it only specifies the channel
What I meant by this is probably a moot point since your device is USB...
But if you were using a MIDISPORT or similar midi interface with two physical OUT ports, it's a common problem for the person to send the output to port 2 of the MIDISPORT, but then go brain dead and plug the MIDISPORT's output port 1 into the vocal processor. Therefore, the midi data would stop at the midisport because there's no cable from that port to the device.
(don't ask how I know this)
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Got you Pat, actually the device handles both USB and MIDI cableing for MIDI transfer, and I have both going on my desktop DAW. And with all the help both are actually working. And by the way I can't thank you enough for helping me work through this. With about 2 days work I have come a long way, much because I had been primed by you and John and a host of folks here in the forum. Whats that old saying, something about standing on the shoulders of giants! At this point I realize how extremely powerful this little VLT box is. Much like BIAB, it can really do anything, just of matter of figuring out how.
Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper
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At this point I realize how extremely powerful this little VLT box is. Much like BIAB, it can really do anything, just of matter of figuring out how.
When you add the amazing flexibility and potential of BIAB and RB to the potential of a vocal processor like the one you just bought, the things that one musician can accomplish alone on stage starts to become astonishing.
I see why PGMusic sells the 3rd party products they do... they're all natural allies in the world of music creation and performance
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I have been following your adventures here, and must say I am envious... I watched several "Touch" videos, and it looks very exciting and very affordable. GAS indeed.
I use a TC-Helicon Harmony-M, and ordinarily play jazz keyboards, using the midi chord function (just as you are learning... Pref => "output chords" in BIAB, and using a PNOSIMP style for RB, as suggested by Josie -- it all works great with a keyboard).
My reason for posting now is that I sometimes play acoustic guitar, doing mainly solo Irish tunes in an Irish pub, and I am not sure how well the guitar chord function on the "Touch" works. I see that Silvertones was a little disappointed, but he plays bass. I would love to bring the Clancy brothers along to my gigs.
So, since I see you are a guitarist, whenever you get around to trying that function out, I hope you post your results for us.
Thanks, and good luck! (And thanks for starting a new thread).
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Do you use backing tracks when you perform?
If so, you don't need to rely on the real-time ability of the device to interpret the chords from your guitar playig. You can hard-code the chord changes directly into the sequence. The problem most often reported is the device's occasional misinterpretation of a chord... most common with a guitar because the strings are strummed, not struck in unison
Alternatively, you could use MP3 backing tracks, and record the harmonies in the studio where you could drive the chords with your keyboard. Once you had them right, they'd always be right... no chance of a MIDI glitch if you aren't using MIDI
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[Quote]Do you use backing tracks when you perform? If so, you don't need to rely on the real-time ability of the device to interpret the chords from your guitar playig. You can hard-code the chord changes directly into the sequence. The problem most often reported is the device's occasional misinterpretation of a chord... most common with a guitar because the strings are strummed, not struck in unison[/Quote] Good advice. But no, I don't want to bring a lot of gear in plating acoustic folk-type music, so I would prefer to not get too fancy... just live, variable Clancy brothers harmonies will do. And if the Voicelive Touch sometimes "misinterprets" a chord, well... that's exactly what you want among a a noisy crowd of drunken Irishmen, no? [Quote]Alternatively, you could use MP3 backing tracks, and record the harmonies in the studio where you could drive the chords with your keyboard. Once you had them right, they'd always be right... no chance of a MIDI glitch if you aren't using MIDI [/Quote] Also a good idea, but it may be more work than I want to do right now, plus, it may sort of detract from the live and lively style of the whole thing... but yes, I will probably evolve that way, since I already do that for the keyboard work. And I wouldn't need to bring a laptop, just an MP3 player. Thanks for advice (you know your advice would save me money.... maybe you missed the "GAS" reference. I really am looking for some excuse to buy a touch).
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... that's exactly what you want among a a noisy crowd of drunken Irishmen, no?
Was recently in Galway, Ireland - actually a little bar in An Spideal just up the coast aways - from a sign over the Bar - "God Created Bars to Keep the Irish from Taking Over the World".
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