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#130226 - 10/01/11 10:31 PM [User Showcase] New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre
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Hi,

Below is a link to my latest song. Please note that the link is to audio streaming so it might take a second or two to kick in.

... link to new song

The song started in BIAB, was modified in RB and was finalized in Reaper. It's still a work-in-progress and I welcome any thoughts on any aspect whatsoever.

Regards,
Noel

About the lyrics...
The lyrics for this song developed as a result of MarioD's signature. After reading his signature a few weeks ago (i.e."The best part of waking up is waking up"), I found myself thinking that there's got to be a song in there somewhere. So with that phrase is mind, I sat down and used Andrea Stolpe's technique of "Destination Writing" to see what ideas and images came to mind.

About the chord progression...
The song was written using a modified version of the chord progression that I used in my recent post (If anyone is curious, here's the hyperlink to the original song). What I did was to transpose the chord progression down a tone and modify some of the chords so that they better suited the new melody. Band In A Box makes these processes so easy that it felt like I was cheating!

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#130227 - 10/01/11 11:15 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Noel96]
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I think this is beautiful Noel. Everything about it. And your production sparkles. Well done!

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#130228 - 10/02/11 01:18 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Sundance]
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Hi Josie,

Thank you for having a listen. I appreciate your comments.

The production "sparkle" is due to Ozone 4. I have to say that for getting a polish to the final sound, Ozone is excellent. Now I just need to learn how to tweak the program to get the best out of it and improve my mixes further!

All the best,
Noel
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#130229 - 10/02/11 07:02 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Noel96]
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Great Job Noel !

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#130230 - 10/02/11 10:47 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Tommyc]
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Hi Noel,

Great, great song. Love the lyrics, vocal and production. I really look forward to hearing your work.

Bob
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#130231 - 10/02/11 12:39 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Noel96]
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Noel,
Wonderfully done my friend. This song is well produced and written. The message is super. Keep up the good work.
Marty
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#130232 - 10/02/11 04:07 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Marty Wittmann]
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Noel,

Very well done! Very tasteful write and production. You have always done great work. Yet you still keep getting better and better! Keep it up!

Steve
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#130233 - 10/02/11 07:05 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Tommyc]
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Hey Tommy!

Thanks for dropping by to listen and to comment

Regards,
Noel
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#130234 - 10/02/11 07:07 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: rsdean]
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Hi Bob,

Once again, many thanks for your encouragement. I'm not nearly as productive as Josie and you. You set a pretty high benchmark. Maybe one day I'll catch up

All the best,
Noel
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#130235 - 10/02/11 07:12 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Marty Wittmann]
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Hi ya, Marty,

Thanks for taking the time to have a listen. As one AABA-writer to another, I find this form works incredibly well for a single moment in time and to expand on that moment of time (in this instance, the moment of waking up).

I appreciate your comments!

All the best,
Noel
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#130236 - 10/02/11 07:14 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Steve Young]
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Hey Steve,

Thank you for all those positive comments You've given me a pretty big smile right at the moment I'm really liking that latest one of yours, by the way. I've listened to it a number of times now.

All the best,
Noel
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#130237 - 10/04/11 11:35 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Sundance]
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Quote:

I think this is beautiful Noel. Everything about it. And your production sparkles. Well done!




A great big DITTO my friend. I love that soaring, swirling melody as it weaves itself around the music.

First class.

Martin
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#130238 - 10/04/11 09:29 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Mr_Songman]
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Hi Martin,

Thank you for having a listen. Your comments made me smile. I've never thought of my melodies as "swirling" before. I like the adjective

All the best,
Noel.

P.S. I started preparing a video for you yesterday on how I use drag and drop with BIAB/Reaper to see if that was what you were doing because the spluttering you were describing sounded like it might be something to do with ASIO (buffer setting maybe; possibly BIAB and Reaper both using ASIO at the same time; etc.). Then when I read that you'd called it quits, I didn't finish putting the video together. If you ever decide to try and get Reaper going again, let me know. I don't mind spending time to help you get it working. It really is a fabulous program.
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#130239 - 10/04/11 10:30 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Noel96]
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Hi. Noel.

As usual, excellent command of the form, and little details to keep from staying in the same old rhyming scheme.

I agree with Josie about the production "sparkle". Everything is clear and balanced - nothing overdone, and everything in its place.

The only negative comment is the instruments have a bit more "presence" than the vocal. For example, the fingerpicked guitars are bright and twangy, but seem louder and more up front than the vocals. In my book, the vocal is always the most important bit.

Good stuff!
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#130240 - 10/05/11 02:00 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: dcuny]
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Hi David,

Good to read you again It's been a while!

It's interesting you should mention the vocals versus the "shine" on the guitars. I've been playing around with those because I wasn't sure if I'd achieved the right balance yet. Your comments reinforce that I have a little way to go. (I'm still coming to grips with Ozone. It's a brilliant program but I'm very much a novice!)

All the best,
Noel
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#130241 - 10/05/11 11:51 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Noel96]
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Nice song excellently engineered. A real pleasure to listen to. Cool work Noel.

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#130242 - 10/06/11 02:18 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Skyline]
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Cool song, sir. Really like the mix.
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#130243 - 10/06/11 06:45 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Skyline]
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Thanks, John.

I just popped over to your latest webpage to listen to some of you work. Your homepage looks brilliant and I thoroughly enjoyed the songs I listened to.

All the best,
Noel
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#130244 - 10/06/11 06:46 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: anieyo]
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Hello anieyo,

Thank you! I appreciate the positive feedback

Best regards,
Noel
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#130245 - 10/10/11 09:33 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Noel96]
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The production "sparkle" is due to Ozone 4. I have to say that for getting a polish to the final sound, Ozone is excellent. Now I just need to learn how to tweak the program to get the best out of it and improve my mixes further!

All the best,
Noel




You're too modest, Noel. Lots of people have Ozone, but not everybody gets clear output from it. Not even Ozone can take a sow's ear and make a silk purse out of it. That means you've put the quality into your mix before it gets as far as Ozone.

Having said that... Yet another nice job!
I'm curious to know how you come up with your chord progressions... that one was like no other song I can think of... with so many songs out there its difficult to find a new progression.

I liked it.

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#130246 - 10/12/11 05:58 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Pat Marr]
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Hi Pat,

Thank you for your uplifting comments! I'd better send you some money via PayPal.

For what it's worth, here's how I mostly go about my chord progressions and my songwriting ...

When I begin, I often start with something that's already been devised. I'm a great believer in not re-inventing the proverbial horse. There are three main ways in which I do this.

ONE
Load in a BIAB style demo song and use that chord progression as the starting place.

TWO
Have a look through my music books and see if there's a song I like and use that progression as the building block.

THREE
Get the audio for a song I like and run it through the Audio Chord Wizard and use that progression as the foundation for what is to come.

Every now and then, I simply start from scratch.

When I have a starting chord progression, I then use my knowledge of theory to play around with it. To do this, I usually work with chords in Roman numeral format (because of my classical background) although I have started using the Nashville system recently which is pretty much the same only with Arabic numerals. This is one of the main reasons that I use BIAB for creating my songs. I love being able to switch between the different types of chord notation so that I can see how the progressions work.

Another thing that I do with my chords is to use inversions by putting different notes in the bass. This is where I have found that classic theory comes in very very useful. In many ways, it is this part of the songwriting process that's the most fun for me.

In this particular song, I started with a chord pattern in Eb major (I like the key) ...

Eb |Ab |Eb |Ab |Cm7 Fm7 |Cm7 Fm7 |Eb Bb7 |Eb

In Roman numerals this is ...

I |IV |I |IV |VIm7 IIm7 |VIm7 IIm7 |I V7 |I

Once in this number system, it becomes easier for me to see how inversions might work. From a classical perspective, a pleasant sounding way to get from I to IV is to use the first inversion of I. Classically, this is notated as I6. Also, when a work has a perfect cadence (i.e. V to I at the end of the section), if a I chord precedes V, the cadence is enhanced by having the I chord in second inversion. Classically this is notated as I6/4. These considerations led me to ....

I I6 |IV |I I6 |IV |VIm7 IIm7 |VIm7 IIm7 |I6/4 V7 |I

... or switching back to alphabetic notation ...

Eb Eb/G |Ab |Eb Eb/G |Ab |Cm7 Fm7 |Cm7 Fm7 |Eb/Bb Bb7 |Eb

That was how the A-section started out.

Sometimes I look to see if there are chord substitutions or chord extensions that I might use. In the instance of this song, I did not go any further than the above although I did fiddle with some more chords a little later.

Once I was happy with my chord progression, I selected a style and tempo and started speaking rhythmical phrases against the accompaniment as it played. Eventually words came to my mind. When I had some lyrics that were feeling suitable, I set about crafting the melody.

At this stage, classical theory again comes in very useful. When working on my melody for the above chord progression, I kept in mind that if I'm using a first inversion chord, I don't really want to have the melody note on G (the same as the bass) unless the two different notes are approached in contrary motion. For the second inversion Eb chord (i.e. Eb/Bb) it's ok to have Bb in the melody. I also watched out for consecutive perfect octaves and consecutive perfect fifths between bass and melody. While these may sometimes not be all that noticeable, other times they can weaken the harmonic texture.

... it goes on from there

You probably didn't want to know all this but once I started typing, I couldn't stop! Hope it's of some interest to you.

Once again, thank you!
Noel
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#130247 - 10/22/11 08:16 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: something in the "Easy Listening" genre [Re: Noel96]
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Hi everyone,

Thank you once more for taking time to listen to my work. This morning I awoke with a new direction in mind and so have decided to take the song back to the work desk.

As a consequence, the above link is no longer active.

I've appreciated all the feedback.

Kind regards,
Noel
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