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Does anybody know of an app (iPhone or iPad or even PC at this point....) that will "listen" and give the tempo of a song? We had a huge bruhaha about the tempo of a song at the last rehearsal and stubborn Eddie needs to be able to prove in real time that they are playing a specific song way too slow.
You know how hard it is to start a iPhone based metronome in time to a playing track? LOL!!!
I am looking for something like what Shazam does, where you listen to a chunk of song and it identifies the song. I want an app that will identify the tempo.
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Hi Eddie,
I'm not at my BIAB computer at the moment, so this answer may be a bit vague.
I seem to recall that there is an option in BIAB to "tap" the tempo you require and it will then set the tempo of the song. You can play the original, and then tap in BIAB when you've got a feel for the correct speed.
HTH
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Keith
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In the part of biab where you load a song and figure out the chords I remember all you did was set the start of the first bar and the application did the rest.
Or am I mis-lead? (That is in memory defect, I doubt I'm wrong...LOL)
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Huh? This has absolutely nothing to do with BIAB. Thus being in the off topic forum.
I need an app that will read the tempo of a recording so I can tell the guys in my band that they are playing a song too slow. The one mentioned is great.
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Well, as I said, you put the sound file in band in a box, determine the first measure and mark it and it tells you...That's wrong?
No one else here to back me up...
I guess I have no choir...again.
And Eddie, tell me you never missed with that 'app' in the box?
"Too much time in the dog pound?" LOL
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I have used both of the suggestions here, and I think all the posts were responsive and helpful.
BPM Analyzer is indeed 'great' but only when the tempo is fairly steady. Otherwise, it's questionable. What does an 'average' beat per minute tell you when the tempo is all over the place?
Conversely, the Audio Chord Wizard of BIAB is a terrific tool to determine every BPM along the way when the song's tempo varies. Not only do you have to set the first bar, which is extremely important as John said, but you adjust other places within the song. Take that song into BIAB and you can see the BPM vary measure by measure. This is a good way to settle the argument with the others in the band. For example, you can tell them the song starts at 120, moves through 126 at the bridge, etc. etc. and ends with the tag playing at 132. Very common. BIAB is the only app that I have seen that will do this easily, without using a DAW and constructing a tempo map.
Most of the time (no pun intended), I use another app, Tap Tempo by AnalogX. This is running in a small window whenever I compose. I just go into the window, tap the spacebar and have my tempo.
The only Metronome app still on my iPhone, after trying many, is iTempo by enhancedlabs.com and I've never had any problem matching a tempo with it.
I have learned it pays to keep an open mind about this stuff. I've seen it happen more than a few times on these forums when someone had a question where I use another app to solve it, only to find out that BIAB or RB or some other PG Music product had a solution as well.
Oh, and John, you were right.
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I use the second hand on my wristwatch.
Count the number of beats you clap along with the Tempo for 6 secs, then do the arithmetic in your head to yield the BPM count. (Choosing 6 seconds makes the arithmetic a snap.)
TIP: A lot of Common Time music happens at 120BPM, which is two beats per second. Pays to get to know that Tempo and it gives us a place to stand when attempting to rapidly adjudicate the speed of other Tempos.
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Now I understand what John was saying. Load the MP3 into BIAB....
This is really a one or two time thing as we rehearse 2 new songs that we are playing WAY too slow. When horn stabs are done slow they become painful wounds.... The tune in question is Bob Seger's Shakedown, from one of those Eddie Murphy PLays a Cop movies. If you meter it out, it is at 85bpm BUT that is half time. The song clips at 170. I can now take the proof to rehearsal along with my hand held metronome.
Dog Pound? More like Puppy Parade this year. They are awful.
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Many years ago Mac, a drummer told me the easiest way to internalize a tempo of 120 is to think of any Souza parade marching song and play it in your head and since I'm an Air Force veteran it was drilled into me as I know it was you as well. A few times at a rehearsal when the tempo argument came up I would start singing whatever that biggest well known Souza march is - bruumpa, bruumpa, brrrrrrrrrumpa, ta da daaa, da tadaaaa etc and start marching around the room, that's 120. Or, if there were no ladies in the room, "I don't know but I've been told...."  Works for me. Bob
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When they put me in a pres. of our drum and bugle corps I dropped the parade beat back to 110. No one under 40 in that band, no sense in killing yourself. And you might get away from the fumes of the 'floats' in front. I found a small pocket metronome with a flashing led light and we installed in front of the lead snare drum. That solved a host of other issues with people being in love with their note or flourish and switching up our tempo.
Now I'd vote for 105, that seems about the speed of my eyeballs.
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And I can't walk any more without a cane so I'm another social member. I gave it one last shot, marched between 2 contras and ended up on each curb instead of the middle of the road. No dints in the bell! LOL.
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Bob, the Sousa march - I've played first trumpet on more than a few in my time. I just 'played' a few in my head and came out with 128 dead on. Maybe I'm thinking faster than most as a jazz player, but I agree, it gets you close to 120.
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Well, the typical orchestral Tempo for Stars 'n Stripes is likely to be faster, think Boston Pops kinda thing. As far as being a jazz player goes, I used to like to play the Piccolo descant in the Trio on the Trumpet - or the single valve and rotor G bugle, for that matter. And the opener already touts the flat five *g*.
Drum Corps, that's where the 120 (and the eight steps to the yardline) was drilled into us when still young. The 120 is the military marching tempo - and if you ever noticed, the default tempo in every sequencing software out there.
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Yes, and perhaps more hits are written at 120 than any other tempo. Of course, that includes songs written long before anyone started composing at a computer and didn't change the default, but it is a good default value.
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Um, I think all those songs at 120 are the *reason* for the default tempo...
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A good deal of danceable music is also right around the 120 BPM mark. This is quite off topic however to the OP's original question.
The DAW I use allows you to set tempo based on a manual set of showing the start and ending of 2, 4, 8 or 16 bar sections of an imported audio file. However, that's just doing the math of Mac's method on a slightly automated basis - my DAW will not automatically 'listen' to an imported wav or audio file and determine a tempo map directly.
Does such a thing exist yet? I don't know if I would trust it out of the gate.
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The app that was suggested in about the 3rd post was perfect. Reads an mp3 file and tells the tempo. Exactly what I needed. We fight about temp constantly and rare have the track at rehearsal. I went through our "learn" CD (our show is 65% original and 35% cover) and wrote down the tempos, and then with a metronome we can lock in where we are supposed to be.
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