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I have tried ^chord. , ^^chord. , ^chord.. , ^^chord.., ^chord... , ^^chord...
I CAN NOT make this one specific groove happen. And it it wasn't going on 3am I would record a sound byte on the keyboard to show what I am trying to do. I can't even think of a song that is close to what I want. Again, 3am.... with a 10am horn rehearsal....
Shot, shut, shat, push, pull, bump, grind, fold, spin, rinse, collate.... All I want to do is ANTICIPATE and SYNCOPATE. How do I anticipate and syncopate?
Are there just some grooves and feels Real Band won't do?
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I recorded a friend on sax but it didn't sound very Funky, cause he played right on the beat. I purposely dragged the sax track to make it play late. If you remove a little from the start and you could drag it forward in time too. Dragging him late made a lot of difference.
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Did you re-generate each time you changed it. ^chord. and ^^chord. aren't going to give you anything but silence until the next chord, since the "dot" is the rest command. ^chord.. should have given you a shot an 8th note early; ^^chord.. should have given you a shot a 16th note early. ^chord... and ^^chord... should have given you a hold an 8th and 16th note early respectively. I just did a test in RB and it worked for me. 
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Here is what my chord entry page looked like.
Measure 1
Dsus4,^d... | (nothing at all}
Measure 2
Asus4,^a... | (nothing at all)
If I can do this in text, this is what I want.
1+2+3+4+
/ / / / \ \ \ \
where the / is a strummed chord and the \ is sustain from the last /.
I can't make RB NOT play anything after the chord strummed on 2 +.
I used the ... dots to say "Sustain until I tell you to stop" but it still wants to play more notes on 3&4.
And I still don't know what a shot is. I know shots of Jack, rim shots, hot shots, double shot of my baby's love.... I don't know how that term applies here. I am still foggy on "push", because "push" to me means move "farther away from here". I am trying to anticipate, or move "closer to here", which I would call "pull".
Think of the first half of a phrase in Neil Young's "Cinnamon Girl". That cadence is what I am shooting for but it keeps wanting to strum, and that would ruin what I am after in this song. The guitar has to strum and sustain so the piano can respond.
Is that clear? I read it over a few times but since I know what I am hearing in my head it's easy for me to get the overview. Trying to explain sound in words is like asking "How long is a piece of rope?"
EDIT: Yes, I regenerated. The section was only 8 bars long as I tried to make the groove happen before I went on and did all that typing.
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1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +
/ / / / \ \ \ \
It looks like you are trying to put more than 2 chords in the first half of the measure which you can't do. Maybe the closest would be C,F ^C... C,F ^C... -- see if that gets closer. The C... means play the C and hold it until the next chord (or as long as it will sustain in realtracks).
or try: C,^F ^C... C,^F ^C...
Unfortunately a lot of real tracks sound pretty awful with pushed chords.
Edit: Yes it seems like it would be called a pull, but it is a call a push because you playing a chord before it's beat and it "pushes" the music along. On paper it looks like pulling the chord back an 1/8 note -- but to your ears it gives the music forward momentum -- pushes along.
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I'll make it easier on you. Send me the chart. I'll record it for you to the best of my abilities. Good thing about Neil's electric playing is that it's pretty much straight up rock and I can do that with the best of them. One of my fave Neil Young tunes for it's straight up rock is Keep On Rockin in the Free World. And I can rock that till the cows come home.
If you have the latest BIAB, I believe it comes with Amplitube in some form so I will record it 'clean' but with some amp simulation on my end so I'm hitting it hard enough but I'll send you the clean version and you can amp it however you want. I can also send you with amp simulation but perhaps what would sound the best is to double track - I'll walk you through how to do this with just me sending you a single track (basically cut and paste different phrases to get distinctly different playing - which is the key to double tracking).
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Which style are you using, Eddie?
I'm happy to give it a try, but need to know which one you are using.
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I may be either overthinking or underexplaining.
Pick up your guitar. Strum 8th notes chords.
1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and
Now do it again but don't hit a chord on 3 and 4 and. Let the chord of the AND after 2 ring.
ONE AND TWO AND..............
ONE AND TWO AND..............
That's what I am trying to accomplish. The problem is that I can't make 3 and 4 and shut up.
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Well, I can do the Cinnamon Girl rhythm if you like.
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I may be either overthinking or underexplaining.
Pick up your guitar. Strum 8th notes chords. 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and
Now do it again but don't hit a chord on 3 and 4 and. Let the chord of the AND after 2 ring.
ONE AND TWO AND..............
ONE AND TWO AND..............
That's what I am trying to accomplish. The problem is that I can't make 3 and 4 and shut up.
The ringing is done by doing a hold, the 3 dots after a chord, as in C... If it is not working, then the realtrack you are using must be having trouble with holding chords. AND you can only do 4 chords in one measure or 2 in a half measure (OK 3 in a half measure if you do a push). "Notes" sells expanded styles that allow up to 8 chords per measure -- but that doesn't work with realtracks. However, you might find a realtrack that strums on the 1 & 2 & 3... --> but you just have to test that by trial and error (unless someone knows, off hand, a realtrack that strums like that).
One of these days BIAB/RB will re-do their software to have 1/8 resolution on chords -- just not available today. For midi stuff you could try this: http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=356675&an=0&page=2 or http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=352880&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1
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See how easy it is to miscommunicate? Quote:
You might find a realtrack that strums on the 1 & 2 & 3...
That is the problem. They ALL hit on 3 and I don't want a hit on 3.
Quote:
ONE AND TWO AND..............
ONE AND TWO AND..............
and then sustain from the AND after 2.
I am going to have to play it in by hand I guess. It will take 10 minutes to play it or 3 hours to listen to 45,273 styles.
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I think the confusion came in that Cinnamon Girl is the first 5 1/8th notes of the measure, at least that's the way that I hear it.
But if you can play guitar (seems I remember seeing axes laying around in your studio photos), you would have been done by now!
Sometimes that is the way to go.
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Actually, I think Cinnamon Girl is:
1-2-3-4-5-x-x-x-1-2-3-4-x-x-x-x for the riff. First 5 1/8th notes are the same chord, then the descending run on the next measure.
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You mean like actually take an instrument into my hands and play it like in the old days before computers?
Yeah Scott, I CAN play guitar, but I am also a geek and it's the geek mindset to make something work. It's like "If it is supposed to be able to be done on a computer, then I should be able to make it be done on a computer. And I am not going to stop trying until it IS done on a computer."
As my best friend Joni says, "You would seriously bury yourself alive to prove you know how to use a (bleepin') shovel."
Okay better example, the first 2 phrases of "Hold Your Head Up".
Cinnamon Girl was only to explain the 1/8th note thing.
PS. The closest you will see me to a Neil Young CD is if I lose my all 8 of my coasters..... He can't play, he can't sing, and his writing is trite. Come rock THIS free world, Neil.... you frontrunner you with your heartstring "4 dead in O-HI-O" garbage. Can you even find Kent, Ohio on a map?
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I may be either overthinking or underexplaining.
Pick up your guitar. Strum 8th notes chords.
1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and
Now do it again but don't hit a chord on 3 and 4 and. Let the chord of the AND after 2 ring.
ONE AND TWO AND..............
ONE AND TWO AND..............
That's what I am trying to accomplish. The problem is that I can't make 3 and 4 and shut up.
I do not believe what you want can be done.BIAB can only play 4 chords per measure.Or really 2 chords per 1/2 measure. You can get it to play on the + by doing a push BUT you can not make it play 1+2+. What you can do to accomplish this though is to double the tempo and stretch a measure out over 2 chord cells.
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Eddie - I didn't say I actually LIKED Neil Young! I don't have any of his material. But because I can play electric, I can play his stuff.
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I thought I had it figured out. Nope. Looks like manual play is the only way. Unless, wait.... If I get it close, then just erase what I DON'T want to hear..... cut and paste everything together.....
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When I try it it works for me, except... When all the instruments are MIDI, it all works fine, but sometime one of the instruments comes in a little early, but I think that's in the style definition. If I use all RealTracks, the RealTracks generally play it properly unless they are a solo instrument (like a violin, for example). But the rhythm instrument seem to respond properly to the push. However, RealDrums don't seem to cooperate. MIDI drums play it correctly, but RealDrums don't cut out on the hold push. Here's the chord sheet I used:  And here's the BIAB file I used: Pushes and HoldsHere's an MP3 rendering that shows the instruments holding, but the RealDrums not cooperating: Pushes and Holds with Drums MP3And here's an MP3 rendering that shows the instruments holding, but the drums are muted: Pushes and Holds with Drums Muted MP3Hope this helps.
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John, that is going to be perfect. As long as I can get a few measures like that I can cut and paste the rest if need be. The song will have that groove for guitar, with a call and response thing where piano will answer the guitar. The drums I can do with the Roland machine as it will be mostly hat and side stick. As it is I always add fills from the machine. (Ever used an M-Audio Trigger Finger? The coolest drum trigger toy ever!)
Now, what you showed me, is that going to be style dependent?
What I see is you basically "doubled" what I was trying to do, meaning you spread out over 2 measures what I was trying to do in 1. That gets away from the "TMI per bar" issue. That occurred to me as I read the thread. Just double speed it as far as programming and do "half phrases".
Thanks to all. This will fix it!
Watch for the song "From A Distance". That's what this is for.
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I like Neil Young's. Version of . "Four Strong Winds" .... My favourite
I'm doing allright for Country Trash ....
I used to care, but things have changed (Bob Dylan)
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