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#181834 - 12/07/12 09:59 PM [User Showcase] Re: In The Bleak Midwinter [Re: SpaceDog]
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Sundance Offline

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The harmonies sound SO much better on this one. Good job David.

#181835 - 12/08/12 03:35 AM [User Showcase] Re: In The Bleak Midwinter [Re: Sundance]
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Hi David,

I've never heard this song before. It's absolutely beautiful and your arrangement of it really does justice to its beauty. The Miroslav orchestral voices sound sublime. The oboe at the beginning was perfect.

Very, very impressive.

All the best,

#181836 - 12/09/12 04:49 AM [User Showcase] Re: In The Bleak Midwinter [Re: Noel96]
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dcuny Offline

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Thanks all for the feedback!

Re-doing the harmony vocals made a lot of difference. It was a bit embarrassing to solo the harmony tracks and hear what they sounded like in isolation. I took a cue from Steve Young and tripled each part, so there are about 16 vocal tracks.

It was tempting to line all the harmony tracks on the beat, but pitch correction already made it sound robotic, and making it "too perfect" sounds just like a cheap vocoder.

There are some really nice sounds in the Miroslav Philharmonic. I was doing a short cello instrumental (not BIAB) and found 23 VIOLINS TREM hidden deep in the violin ensemble section. It's a wonderful shimmering sound.

Now I need to find an excuse to use all those fantastic brass sounds...
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

#181837 - 12/09/12 08:55 PM [User Showcase] Re: In The Bleak Midwinter [Re: SpaceDog]
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Guitarhacker Offline

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Nice job. Trying to emulate a real instrument in midi is not the easiest.... hence the reason I use BB/RB... but they do not play exact melodies they? So we have to play those parts any way we can.

For better pitch correction with less artifacts try Melodyne. It as transparent as you could want. I use it and hear no artifacts when it's used properly...

Again... good job.
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#181838 - 12/10/12 01:50 AM [User Showcase] Re: In The Bleak Midwinter [Re: Guitarhacker]
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dcuny Offline

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Hi, Herb.

I used Melodyne (in demo mode) for a first pass of the pitch correction. It's a nice program, and I like the way it lets you modify the modulation, which is something I don't see with other pitch correction software.

My DAW uses the same algorithm that BiaB uses, so it sounds pretty good... As long as you don't pull the pitch too far out of range. It was useful for setting up the harmonies in the first place, but no matter what the algorithm, it'll sound better if you can sing the line in the first place.

The other problem with pitch correction is that when you line up a bunch of pitch corrected vocals, it sucks all the life from it - the pitch correction becomes the dominant sound, no matter how artifact-free.

What I really need to do is spend more time getting good vocals that don't need correction in the first place.

As far as playing "real" instruments goes, what really sells a performance is being able to bring in idiomatic articulations. For example, trills, swoops, falls... that sort of thing. In particular, the "big thing" in sample libraries these days is "legato" note transitions - smoothly connected notes. This can be simulated by suppressing the initial attack in the sample (I think GPO does this) - there's a Kontact library script that's supposed to be pretty good at this.

BiaB 2013 now comes with SampleTank. The reviews I've read for SampleTank are a bit underwhelming, but it provides a standard set of sounds. I suspect that it can be enhanced with custom libraries. If that's the case, I can easily imagine a lot of MIDI functionality could result. For example, imagine a custom sound set of guitar strums (up, down, mute) for different sorts of chords. Combine that with MIDI, and you've got a wide set of styles. Or if you've got a bunch of different violin articulations (staccato, détaché short, legato... etc.) you can combine them together to create a much more convincing performance.

So I can imagine BiaB moving in that direction, combining MIDI with custom sample libraries to move past the restrictions of RealTracks.
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

#181839 - 12/10/12 08:05 AM [User Showcase] Re: In The Bleak Midwinter [Re: SpaceDog]
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Tommyc Offline

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Great Job David!

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User Tip - Create harmony Using the TC Helicon in RealBand 2020

Interested in creating harmonies using RealBand and the TC Helicon? Check out this forum post, where program user Noel96 shares information on his technique!

Have a tip of your own to share? Feel free to post it to our Tips & Tricks forum!

Thanks for sharing, Noel96!

Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows & VST DAW Plugin Update Available!

Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows users!!! The latest FREE patch (build 713) and DAW Plugin Update 2.4.5 is available - learn more and download here.

Summary of changes for build 713:
Fixed: Rendered audio files might be silent if mono and 24 bit are selected.
Fixed: Possible crash when rendering to audio at 48.0kHz or 96.0kHz sample rate.
Improved: Better support for localized versions.
Fixed: Importing audio files that were 96 kHz sampling rate would fail.
Fixed: The [More Info...] button in the Artist Browser dialog would launch the wrong web page.
Fixed: Importing an ABCNotation file would not include the key signature.
Fixed: ABC files only opening some chords.
Fixed: Problem storing minor keys.(ampersand).
Fixed: A few artists not displaying properly in Artist Browsers.
Improved: RealDrums Picker information for the 2020 RealDrums has been updated/improved.
Fixed: Some of the RealDrums from the 2020 release did not have drum groove names.
Improved: All of the 2020 MIDI SuperTracks now have memos.
Fixed: Some RealTracks were listed under the incorrect Set# in the RealTracks Picker.
Fixed: _Gentle style from Xtra PAK 4 had an acoustic guitar set to Held mode.
Fixed: Some ska style demos had drum drop outs.
Fixed: Rendered files were not being normalized.
Fixed: Pressing spacebar in the Notation window might launch a web browser instead of starting playback.
Fixed: Practice window | Master Solos | Blues Piano, displays N/A.
Fixed: MusicXML files created by Band-in-a-Box cannot be loaded by Band-in-a-Box if song title contains & (ampersand).
Fixed: Japanese lyrics are garbage text when saving to MusicXML.
Fixed: Various animations (eg. Guitar window notes) would freeze during playback if using MME drivers.
Fixed: With some computers, distorted audio when soloing a track.
Fixed: Changing a custom track label had no option to Undo, and did not prompt user to save song.
Updated: Manual/Help [routine updates]
Fixed: When re-saving a song that has an audio track, the audio track was not copied.
Fixed: Dropping a song file onto Band-in-a-Box did not set the current directory.
Fixed: The RealTracks picker window should remember its location when reopening.
Fixed: The Piano Roll window was opening at the wrong bar location.
Improved: Better quality audio resampling when rendering audio to higher sample rates.
Fixed: Resampler quality setting in ASIO drivers dialog was ignored.
Fixed: Using WAS audio drivers with 24 bit & 48kHz output rate might result in noise.

Summary of Changes for DAW Plugin Update 2.4.5 (Jan 21 2020)
Fixed: Opening Band-in-a-Box song files (.sgu) would fail if the file names and/or paths contained any European language characters (eg. à,è).
Fixed: Message if bbw4 has no valid handle
Fixed: Mute and sync buttons not working properly
Fixed: Clicking cancel would lag before cancelling
Fixed: Right-click anywhere on track for context menu
Fixed: Increase maximum chord sheet font size
Added: Double click track name to launch picker of currently selected track
Added: Flashing GENERATE button to notify if song needs to be regenerated
Added: Mute and sync buttons to track context menu
Added: Right-click chord opens bar settings menu at that bar
Added: Error code for bbw4 related error messages
Fixed: Plugin asking to save when booting the plugin and selecting File/Open
Fixed: Crash when running vst3 plugin in reaper
Fixed: Scroll bar margins when resizing plugin
Fixed: Bar settings not saving
Fixed: Time Base, and Natural Arrangement not saving settings
Fixed: Calling bbw4 when already open will bring windows to front
Fixed: Tool tips in Preferences Dialog
Fixed: Time signature should be set from DAW when first opened
Fixed: Set "..." colours for truncated chords to black
Fixed: Selected track in table should be more obvious
Fixed: Click YES to Save dialog and then cancel will reset save state to true
Added: Right click for track table context menu
Added: Medley/Multi (thickening) feature

Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows on a USB 3.0 Hard Drive - Speed Thrills!

Did you know... all Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows UltraPAK and UltraPAK+ orders ship preinstalled on a USB 3.0 hard drive!

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Note: The difference between the UltraPAK and the UltraPAK+ is that the Songs & Lessons PAK is included in the UltraPAK+ package.

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We're at The NAMM Show!

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Click here for more information about The NAMM Show, held in Anaheim California at the Anaheim Convention Center.

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NEW products for Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Mac: Xtra Styles PAK 8 and Loops-with-Style PAK 1!


We've added 164 fantastic new RealStyles in Xtra Styles PAK 8! These are imaginative new combinations of our existing RealTracks library that fall into four categories: Rock/Pop 8, Jazz 8, Country 8, and Celtic 1. To celebrate the release of Xtra Styles PAK 8, ALL of our Xtra Styles PAKs 1-8 are on sale for just $29 each! Learn more & listen to demos here.

Also brand-new is our Loops-with-Style PAK 1 for Band-in-a-Box®, which gives you the chance to expand your loops collection with 100 new loops! We've taken the RealDrums and RealTracks source audio and remixed, remastered, and combined it to create these original loops. All of your favorite genres are covered like jazz, funk, rock, pop, electronic, hip-hop, and more! To show them in action, we've created 50 new RealStyles that each include two of the loops. Plus, if you use the loops in Band-in-a-Box, we've included intelligent versions of the loops that automatically switch at A and B part markers. Each loop has a matching sister loop that works perfectly for another substyle! Get started with Loops-with-Style PAK 1 for the introductory price of just $19 until January 15th (reg: $29). Learn more & watch a great video demonstration here.

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Built-in Audio Chord Wizard Enhancements in Band-in-a-Box® 2020!

Our Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows version includes some great enhancements to the Built-in Audio Chord Wizard!

-The built-in Audio Chord Wizard is now accessible from the [Audio Chord Wizard] button.
-The Audio Edit window now displays chords and tempos for each bar. They are shown when the Audio Chord Wizard mode is active so that you can see the tempo for each bar as you set the bar lines.
-When you start entering bar lines, the program automatically sets the tempo to the tempo of the first bar.
-Once the tempo of the first bar is set, the program automatically moves the location of the first bar of audio over so that the visual space of the count-in bars is visible.
-After you’ve added the bar lines, IF you adjust the first or second bar and the tempo of the first bar changes accordingly, the program automatically changes the tempo of the song to match.
-Multi-window display. This gives the Audio Chord Wizard a multi-window view so that you can see and edit both the Audio Edit window and the Chords Sheet at the same time. This display is best viewed with a small toolbar mode. This allows you to see the chords as they are being interpreted by the wizard.
-The Audio Chord Wizard can send the transcribed MIDI notes to the Soloist track for further analysis by the user (via Piano Roll or Notation window). Note that this is a "snapshot" view every 8th note of the pitches present, not an attempt at polyphonic transcription. To use this feature, enable the "MIDI to Soloist" check box.

Read more about these enhancements here, or jump to the New Feature - Audio Chord Wizard (ACW) Enhancements section of our New Features video here.

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