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When changes are made in the chord chart, you need to regenerate to make them appear in the track, correct?
How about when you make changes in the track? What do you do to make the chord chart correct?
The song I am working on called for me to make 3 instances of a measure of 2/4 time and then right back to 4/4. That change, made in the track view, TOTALLY threw the chord chart out of kilter.
Can I make the timing change in the chord chart so it stays in sync with the actual track view? It was a MESS after I made that change! Part markers had moved, chords were all wrong.... I now just gave up on the chord chart completely for that song.
I have a LOT of trouble with the chord chart. Unfortunately, that's how you chart chords (hence the name - see how well it works out sometimes?) so there is no way to not use it,
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If you make a time sig change like that, you have to redo the chord chart in my experience.
In your example, you may have been able to use copy/paste to move the chords where you wanted, but you have to pay attention to the checkboxes during the procedure.
In Copy/Paste there is a checkbox for chords. In habit I highlite a dummy track when trying to copy/paste 'chords only' so I only change the chords and not change a track inadvertantly.
There is a pretty good chance you could have used copy/pasta for the chord progression and put it a measure or two later and saved some work. Then changed the couple measures that were left if needed.
Part markers I'm not so sure about. That may be the stickler. Seems I remember issues with that before too.
Probably not many of us actually go in and change time sig after having chord progression and generated tracks in existence already.
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I've complained about the part markers issue for ages and have given up.
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Also Harv, when I executed that time change to add the 2/4 measures, it was in no way indicated on the chord chart, and I saw no way to make it happen, so the chord chart was 2 beats off for a while, then came back to sync the second time I added a 2/4, but then was out of sync again when I added the 3rd 2/4 measure. With cutting and pasting I have what I need musically, but what a drag that you in essence can't program "off measures" into the chord chart.
But the difficult thing was that the actual chords got hosed up. Suddenly there were refrains I didn't put there, parts repeated, 4 measure sections of a chord inserted themselves.... changing path partway through a song can't be that hard.
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Eddie, I make a lot of changes after the chord chart has been done too. I frame out my arrangement in BIAB because it's faster since I've always done it that way. But I really flesh it out in RB. The style I start with has little to do with where I end up or what RT's I use by the time I'm done. And sometimes I have more than one seq file where I can try things and always go back to the original if need be. It helps to watch the check boxes as mentioned. Like you I've had the chord chart beyond recognition before I noticed those checkboxes. I still manage to mess it up if I get distracted and forget. Sometimes I change it to generate one part and then change it back. It's a lot to keep up with what checkbox needs to be checked/unchecked if you're into heavy editing. But I'm not sure how the process could be made better. What I wish is that just simply removing a chord symbol was as simple in the RB chart as it is in BIAB. Changing the chord symbol easy - removing one not - and I don't get why it's not the same.... In my experience just go back to the chord chart and manually fix it when you miss a checkbox and then save so regenerating another instrument matches or at least mostly matches what you want. I'm glad you brought this up. I thought it was just me. Kind of nice to know I'm not the only one who's mangled a RB chord chart.  Edited to add - sorry have no clue how to make it show a time sig change.
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There is a pretty good chance you could have used copy/pasta
You can copy pasta????
The thing about this was that after I made the change at measure 31 to go to 2/4 and then back to 4/4 at measure 32 (and again twice later) I ended up with like 8 bars of the same chord entered at places in the song I never even came close to. At some random spot like bar 13 there was 8 measures of D. The chord sheet just got totally confused when I did that tempo change. And the only reason that mattered was when I tried to generate some guitar solo lines at bar 72, the chords it was supposed to play were completely wrong. I ended up saving as is, opening a new song, creating a chord sheet for those 8 bars of solo, generating 8 solos, cutting and pasting what I wanted, saving that as a WAV, and importing it into the original song. A workaround to be sure, but a Shaq sized PITA to get there.
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You may know this already but here goes. If you're going to use RB as a regular DAW (sequencer) then basically the chord grid (grid, not chart a chart is a piece of paper you read) doesn't exist. Once you start with the track manipulation by moving chunks of audio around, you don't need the chord grid. Think like you're using Sonar. RB allows you to generate one track only or simply parts of a track like a 4 bar transition part for some strings or whatever. You can change the chord grid entirely from track to track. In RB I've created songs using 3 or 4 different chord grids. What you're asking about assumes you're using RB as if it were Biab. It's not.
I see this still isn't real clear, let me try again. For me anyway, I see RB as a real studio. In a studio, what are you doing? You're recording individual tracks individually. Biab records all the tracks at once in one shot. In a studio yes you can record a whole band in one shot but you're still recording individual players, and they go back and redo, overdub, whatever certain parts all the time. Each track stands on it's own. If you're thinking of the chord grid controlling the whole song, use Biab not RB. In RB I use the chord grid on a per track or part basis. I could care less what the chord grid looks like when I'm finished. If I need a chart of the whole finished thing I've done in RB, I'll load it into Biab to create the chart which I've done on several occasions. Sometimes it's fun after a project is finished to go into Biab and play around with different styles but the RB project is set in stone.
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Hmmm..... okay we obviously have user error here. Well, more like user not knowing how something works.
I an best ask my follow-up question by just describing a scenario. I lay out my 108 measures of chord progression, hit the generate. Real Band, and I am going to specify Real Band everywhere lest we get lost in a maze of Real Band vs BIAB, it generates my drums, my bass, my rhythm piano, my rhythm guitars..... I save. I do my singing, I save. I add some sweetening instruments that I play manually. I save. Now I walk away and have lunch. I come back and start Real Band again. I load that song. I look at the chord chart and it is totally pooched for some reason. The chords do not match what the song is playing. Now when I go to measure 72 to add a guitar solo, it generates over the wrong chords.
So at that point, if I understand what you are saying, I could totally erase that chord chart and create a new one starting at measure 72 to JUST generate the solo?
If your answer to that is "yes", you made my life a LOT easier.
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Yes.
The other tracks are already audio, and the chord chart is used for only newly generated tracks or sections. Sometimes experienced users alter the chord chart to make a new solo generate a certain way, then set it back.
My question is, how did the whole chord chart get hosed in the first place?
I have seq files many years old that the chord chart is still good in.
Do you have the chord chart set to automatically refigure the chords when a file is opened?
Open chord window, right-click and see if the options are telling it to re-write the chords when it opens..
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It started when I changed those 3 individual measures to 2/4 time and then right back to 4/4 time.
The next day I went to work on guitar solos, and without checking the chord chart (I had no reason to at that point) I selected my measures and generated. I did that 8 times on 8 tracks so I had many measure to cut and paste into a decent solo. When I hit playback on the first one, the chords were not what they should have been. The basic 7 tracks above it were fine.
So let's recreate in more detail.
I sat down with Excel and a guitar. I played the thing through to know my changes, entering them into a spreadsheet as I created. When I liked it, I entered it into the RB chord sheet. I generated drums, bass, rhythm tracks. Then I decided to make that one small timing change for effect, and I went to bar 31 and changed it to 2/4 time, reverting to 4/4 at bar 32. I did the same thing at bar 51, and then another one later at whatever bar number. Here's where it probably happened. To effect that one bar of 2/4, I snipped audio from somewhere else and pasted it in. In both places. So 2/4 and 2/4 = 4/4, or one measure, and that pushed my chord chart back by 2 x 2/4.
As I said, I worked around it, but I would like to think that since making a chord change in the chord sheet and regenerating reflects in track view, the other way around should compensate as well. This situation shows that I would be wrong in thinking that.
I take from this thread that once I have audio tracks and save I can eliminate that chord chart completely since I won't be regenerating the whole song again, and that when I want to create a small snippet I can do that by entering chords in the chord chart for just that spot.
(There's always a however.)
However, that chord chart does not show those 2 measures of 2/4, so how do I line it up? Can I make that chord chart show the meter change so the measures line up with what is in track view?
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