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A whole bunch of high horse riding in this thread, as well as contradiction. On one hand some are saying that nomination and entry should be talent based. Then questioning whether someone is worthy because they didn't have hits. Hip Hop is full of hitmakers, Public Enemy being one of them. Hit makers in the extreme. So which criteria is being applied here? Talent, hits, both? It's hall of fame not hall of talent. Here's a challenge. Try rapping in a way that is rhythmic and creative. Use your own words. Use your own style. Try it. I don't know that I've ever heard ANYONE ELSE on this forum post some raps of their own attempt. I'm putting mine out here for your ridicule. Until you try it, and see how hard it really is, then quit with the 'play a beat and say a rhyme' is something anybody can do. I'm serious about this. I've tried it. It's harder than made out here. Here's my efforts, where are yours? Could Have Been Me: http://rockstarnot.rekkerd.org/fawm2010/Scott%20Lake%20-%20Could%20Have%20Been.mp3Supermarket Shoppa: http://rockstarnot.rekkerd.org/songs/newer/0707%20rockstarnot%20supamarket%20shoppa.MP3By the way, this last one won a KVR monthly song contest - tied for 1st place and the person to whom the whole song refers is the guy who used to run the contest. We had to take samples from his previous songs and use them in some creative way. Out of all the entries, I won his vote (and he hates rap). So, hop down from the horse for a bit and give it a try. Your perspective may change. Do I normally rap - absolutely not - I'm a folkie if anything. But I'll be the last person to say someone else's job is easy until I give it a try myself. Don't give me any of that "It's below me" type of attitude either. -Scott
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I would think that it should be more than sales (fame) that gets someone into the Hall of Fame. Movie Oscars don't go to the best box office, if they did it would be Spiderman and Hangover Part 2 up this year, instead of Lincoln and Argo. If you look at the 100 top grossing movies, it's hard to find many that belong in the top 100 "best" movies from an artistic perspective. http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/ Kung Fu Panda is # 59, should that be in the Movie Hall of Fame? Is it a stretch to say that the same thing applies to music? The biggest consumers of both music and movies are teenagers. They put rap and Justin Bieber at the top of the charts. If sales of rap were dismally low, would you still be saying that its artists should be in the Hall of Fame? I wouldn't. Sales don't sway me. I'm with Ray Charles on this one...
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I would think that it should be more than sales (fame) that gets someone into the Hall of Fame.
Movie Oscars don't go to the best box office, if they did it would be Spiderman and Hangover Part 2 up this year, instead of Lincoln and Argo. If you look at the 100 top grossing movies, it's hard to find many that belong in the top 100 "best" movies from an artistic perspective. http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/ Kung Fu Panda is # 59, should that be in the Movie Hall of Fame?
Is it a stretch to say that the same thing applies to music? The biggest consumers of both music and movies are teenagers. They put rap and Justin Bieber at the top of the charts.
If sales of rap were dismally low, would you still be saying that its artists should be in the Hall of Fame? I wouldn't. Sales don't sway me. I'm with Ray Charles on this one...
Amen Peter. Well said.
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Curious to know a couple of things Scott.
What kind of town did you grow up in? And where do you live now? What is the racial demographic?
And you are what, middle 30s?
I don't like rap or hip-hop for some simple reasons. It isn't my culture. I did not grow up listening to it because it wasn't around yet, and I did not assimilate into the hip-hop culture because I have never been into an establishment in a part of town where that is the music of choice. When I do go out to see a band (very rare event) it is a band that plays what pleases me. Oldies or Motown.
I also don't take a shine to Celtic, bluegrass, old school cryin' in your beer country, Klezmer, chamber..... I have been exposed to everything having been a music student, and I appreciate the talent it takes to play anything, but I don't have to like it just because I appreciate it.
The town I live in, as well as the city I grew up in, is extremely polarized to a level where if you go to a neighborhood you don't belong there is a good chance you will not leave with your car, wallet, cell phone, money, and teeth. In some cases, your life goes on that list. I am sure there are areas in your state like that, but I have a feeling you don't live in one of them.
The point is, as PG said, the most sales doesn't not constitute quality. Add to that a working definition of what a Hall of Fame in ANY area of endeavor is supposed to be for, and that adds up to my assertion that there are acts in the rock HOF that should not be there either because they are not rock or because they did not contribute to the maturation of the art.
Hall Of Fame, by definition, should be reserved for those who excelled at their craft. I pass the Pro Football HOF twice a day, as it is between where I love and where I work. I have never been in there. The place has been around for so long that in order to have a big MONEY MAKING induction weekend every August, the membership is really quite diluted to a point where there are more just above average players in there than true standouts. Remembering that there used to be far fewer teams that played fewer games with smaller rosters than today, before money was the bottom line, the old guard are the true greats of the game. Joe Namath racked up truly average numbers over his career, but based on that one year where his team shocked the world with a Super Bowl win in a game nobody said they could win, he is in the hall of fame. The same holds true for baseball and basketball. And sadly, music as well.
I remember when the rock hall started, when there were at least rough guidelines about how long a band or artist had to be "retired". IMHO it would mean more if the honor of being in the HOF if the award came after a band really retires like the sports halls do it. Of course it isn't apples and apples since you can play music into your 70s where you can't play football into your 70s, but you get the idea.
That's a whole different soapbox though about old guys who continue to play with one original member from a 6 piece band and misleadingly use the name. I call those "Man, I really need the money" tours. I remember going to the farewell tour of The Who. in 1982.
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Scott, I actually considered your rap, (aka hip hop), challenge. I even wrote a song to use. It's called "Redneck PG Rap". (Copyright Bob Chapman 2012) Redneck PG Rap Rockstar_not says I can’t do this song He’s the kind of homie that thinks I’ll get it wrong Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, opinions in the balance Scott says it’s numbers, it ain’t about talent So us old farts weigh in with our yays and nays I said to myself, this could go on for days Scott’s a hip hop boy, said you don’t know what you’re missin I thought to myself, boy you be a pissin In the wind It’s a bad assed wind Eddie’s high brow rock with a band like Rush Danny likes the blues, probly’ even likes Tush Mac says Ray Charles on Tonight Show sang Said the hip hop boys can’t teach a single thang Jazzmammal’s got the formula, got the definition Your Rock and Roll song will then be a’ bitchin’ But he wants to lock me up in a room full of speakers In a hip hop world, man that guy’s a tweeker Of pain A room full of pain So I thought “What the hell, I’ll give it a whirl But a hip hop song needs lots of pretty girls!” I went down to the club where the ho’s are exotic Mac told me boy, they’re sometimes psychotic In a hip hop world is where they wanna be Shakin’ their booties on MTV Cause a dollar a pop for a single mutha The other thangs they do, this country boy’d druther Not say I don’t wanna say So I gave up on the girls, went back to the styles Gotta find one that would make it worth my while Writin’ a hip hop song, I guess I’d be a virgin But the Colorado cat’s still earnestly urgin’ Can’t take the country route, rhyme drinkin’ with thinkin’ Cause in a hip hop world, the skanks they be a’ stinkin’ As a West Virginia boy, I’ve got a problem with that If we ain’t got soap, we’ve got Borax It’s a wrap A Redneck PG Rap   
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Got the lyrics now for the recording...
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Fwiw of course talent is important but with music how can you judge it? Sports is easy: who scores most, etc
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Hey Scott, Go ahead and put it to music! LOL.
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Go ahead and put it to music! LOL.
Well thats the challenge. You basically wrote a poem with a bunch of the topics that are so criticized in the thread. See my pm for other comments.
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Scott,
Isn't "hip hop" supposed to punch a few buttons?
I'm not a fan of the genre, ... but didn't you ask for input from forum members?
If I can get to it, I'll try to put some music to it. But in all honesty, it will take the back seat to some other things considering the season.
Later,
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I think Todd did a lot on the innovative side is why I believe he belongs. A Wizard, A True Star was one of the earlier albums to be that heavily involved with synthesizers, and by the time he got to No World Order he was doing white boy hip hop as well. I saw that show performed live and it was about a dozen racks of sound modules in a circle with him running around pulling fronts
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when a note stuck. His rockier stuff was both earlier on and then with Utopia, so maybe Ut
opia belongs. He is such a great writer I really believe he belongs.
I'm not attacking Todd I'm defending Procol Harum.
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Isn't "hip hop" supposed to punch a few buttons?
I'm not a fan of the genre, ... but didn't you ask for input from forum members?
If I can get to it, I'll try to put some music to it. But in all honesty, it will take the back seat to some other things considering the season.
Later,
What I challenged was to try to make a rap and record it - post it here. Until then, quit saying that it's just talking over a drum beat. Writing a rhyming poem is perhaps 10% of task. One of my friends that truly does rap constructs the poems and rhymes on the fly - topic specific - on demand. Kind of like that guy who can pull of a song-appropriate killer guitar solo just by a look and a nod.
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OK I have a question for you guys and gals. Who did the first speaking a rhyming poem over music?
The first I can remember is Johnny Cash in “Get Rhythm”.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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I remember Jimi Hendrix's 1967 tune If 6 turned out to be 9 ( a little rap part around the 1:33 and 3 min marks). It was in the movie Easy Rider. But I am sure there are others in early rock. I remember this conversation coming up before somewhere.
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The first bluegrass rap tune?
Go for it!!
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OK I have a question for you guys and gals. Who did the first speaking a rhyming poem over music?
The first I can remember is Johnny Cash in “Get Rhythm”.
I'm sure Woody Guthrie did some talking blues, and equally certain that he wasn't the first.
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