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#191157 - 01/20/13 05:31 PM [User Showcase] New Song: "Always There"
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Hi,

Here's a song I wrote a number of moons ago using AABA form. Around 12 months ago, I revisited it and organised a professional singer to add vocals.

Using demosinger.com, I found Jason Wyatt in Nashville who was happy to record vocals against the backing I'd created. I rendered the BIAB tracks and sent the audio file, along with lyrics, over to him. In less than a week, he'd finished the job. (I've posted this song before with me singing but Jason does a MUCH better job. I thought some on this forum might like to hear how it sounds.) Please feel free to be critical of any aspect of the songwriting and mix.

The below link (m3u file) is to a streaming mp3 so it will take 10 or so seconds to start. If it doesn't load, the link (URL) can be copied and pasted directly into Media Player.

... link to "Always There"

Here's a link to the song on SoundCloud

... alternative link



Regards,
Noel

SONG INFO

Vocals: Jason Wyatt.

Style: SLCWALZ.STY (Country Waltz, 2 Guitars (85 RT))
MIDI: Acoustic Piano (1)
1124: Fiddle,BG,CountryWaltz Sw 85
1121: Bass, Acoustic, CountryWaltz Sw 085
824: Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming Country Waltz Sw 085
822: Guitar, Acoustic, Fingerpicking Country Waltz Sw 085
Drums: NashClassicWaltzSw^1-a:SideStick, HiHat , b:Snare, HiHat

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#191158 - 01/20/13 05:54 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: Noel96]
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Great job! Excellent vocals with the perfect backing tracks.

This is a keeper.
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#191159 - 01/20/13 06:03 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: MarioD]
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Noel - on an old computer - XP with IE8, this gives an error "cannot display this webpage"....

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#191160 - 01/20/13 06:52 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: floyd jane]
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Hi Noel.

Another Radio-Ready mix! You really know what you're doing.

Good song, nice arrangement and the session vocalist does well with it.

Absolutely nothing wrong with it as it stands, but some backing vocals might have been nice. Perhaps it's just me looking for work for our girls!

Enjoyed listening, thanks.

ROG.

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#191161 - 01/20/13 06:57 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: floyd jane]
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Hi Floyd,

I've added an alternative link in the original post that should do the job Nothing wrong with XP. I think it's a great operating system.

Regards,
Noel
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#191162 - 01/20/13 07:43 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: Noel96]
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Brallan Offline
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Nicely done, Noel... I plan on checking out that website -- what a great idea.
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#191163 - 01/20/13 08:10 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: MarioD]
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Hi Mario,

I think luck was favouring me when I put this one together. Thanks for taking time to listen. Appreciate it.

All the best,
Noel
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#191164 - 01/20/13 08:14 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: ROG]
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Hi Rog,

... interesting you should mention background vocals. Jason did some for me and I put a mix together using them but, in end, I liked the intimacy of the single voice.

I've got to hand it to you with your crew of young musicians. They're outstanding and a real credit to you.

Thanks for taking time to listen to mix and to pass on your thoughts.

All the best,
Noel
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#191165 - 01/20/13 08:29 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: Brallan]
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Hi Brad,

The website http://demosinger.com is amazing. Using it, it's possible to find singers who are interested in a whole range of genres and throughout the US. What I did was to contact people who's voices I liked, there are samples on-sight, and I asked if they were interested in overdubbing vocals against an already-assembled backing. Jason was the first person I asked so when he got back to me, I took it as a sign to go with him Twelve months ago, his price was great, too (I imagine it's still great value today).

Here's his homepage ....

http://www.jasonwyattmusic.com/fr_home.cfm

He also runs the guitar/vocal demo studio http://guitarvocaldemo.com/

I struck it lucky (as I said to Mario)!

Thanks for having a listen to the song.

All the best,
Noel
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#191166 - 01/20/13 10:58 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: Noel96]
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My my my....

Noel that is absolutely over the top with Jason singing. Not that you were bad or anything because you weren't. But he's the perfect fit for this song. And I think when you get the right vocalist for the song, no matter who it is, it's a magic all it's own.

Of course the other side of that is - it doesn't matter who sings a song if the song isn't very good. But a good song with the right voice and this is exactly what you get.


Magic.

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#191167 - 01/20/13 11:10 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: Noel96]
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Excellent, unabashed love song. Sincere and heartfelt. I agree the singer's voice fits the song. Great job.

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#191168 - 01/21/13 01:24 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: Sundance]
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Only suggestion is to do away with the AND at the beginning of the song and just sing "when it's dark." It is not natural to begin speaking with And; and is used to connect two words or a phrase, or when answering. It is not a major thing, just a suggestion. The mix and vocal are excellent. Thanks 4 sharing!


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#191169 - 01/21/13 02:14 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: PgFantastic]
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Nice work. I remember the original, thinking "That's not how I would sing it" when listening to your phrasing.

It's still got those phrases, and even sung by someone else, it's very much got your mark on it.
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#191170 - 01/21/13 02:40 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: PgFantastic]
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I beg to differ, Robert. The "and," IMO, serves to bring the listener immediately into a continuing story.

Here is one of the most beautiful touching songs I know -- Tom Waits, "And if I have to go." (Not the best performance, but the song speaks for itself -- "it's all someone else's idea."). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jyVZNrWkow
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#191171 - 01/21/13 08:27 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: Brallan]
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Very good song and mix.
The singer perfectly fits the song.

Guenter

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#191172 - 01/21/13 09:15 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: boehm]
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Noel, really nice work. You created a real nice "carpet" for your vocalist--good, believable lyrics, nice background/arrangement. I liked it, esp the twin triplet phrase "whether the road" and "long as the earth"...it added a new, interesting dimension, just at the right time. Thanks for sharing.

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#191173 - 01/21/13 02:22 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: Sundance]
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Hi Josie,

Thank you for listening. I think I was lucky to find Jason. He's a fine singer and a pleasure to work with. When I listened to the version I put together and compared it to what he did, I confess to discovering a new level of embarrassment!

Having a good singer present a song really helps. I was incredibly pleased when I heard what he'd done. Unfortunately this one is a waltz and it seems that no-one is interested in waltzes any more. Still, I like it.

Once again, thanks for taking time to listen and to comment.

All the best,
Noel
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#191174 - 01/21/13 02:28 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: austin51]
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Hi Austin,

I appreciate your positive feedback. Thank you for reading the thread. For me, the ultimate test of my songs is always the answer to the question, "Does anyone like it?" It's good when person or two does!

All the best,
Noel
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#191175 - 01/21/13 02:47 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: PgFantastic]
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Hi Robert,

Thank you for listening and for commenting. I appreciate your thoughts regarding "and". I've had a number of people in the past comment on that: some like it, some don't and others don't have an opinion on it. I completely agree with you that it's not natural speech and so fails that standard songwriting test of "say it naturally".

Believe it or not, using AND was the starting place for this song. I regularly read Shiela Davis's "Songwriting Idea Book" to get inspiration for a new song. One of her strategies is to begin with the word "And". She says, in almost identical words to what Brallan says a couple of posts down, that using "And" makes a lyric feel like it's starting in the middle of a conversation. Then she mentioned "My Way" and "And I Love You So". I thought it would be interesting to try the technique out. Fortunately for the song, if any singer wants to leave the word out, they can and the lyric still works.

All the best with FAWM. I don't how you manage to do these songwriting challenges. Your dedication to songwriting is nothing short of absolutely amazing.

Best regards,
Noel
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#191176 - 01/21/13 02:52 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Song: "Always There" [Re: dcuny]
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Hi David,

Thanks for having a listen. I always appreciate your time and your feedback. I'm not quite sure how to interpret your last sentence but I guess it's a good thing for songs I write to have my mark!

Hope all is sailing along well for you and your family

All the best,
Noel
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