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#717481 - 05/20/22 05:41 AM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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PL, Fantastic. You often provide sensational workarounds, and these are greatly appreciated. No doubt there is a big effort to develop these.
But, with respect, we're looking for this feature to be an integrated part of the program. I think you will agree that this would be the most appropriate delivery mechanism.
I suspect that the count-in is perhaps hard-coded to the song's time-signature, but it should be able to be 'modified' to suit the correct timing of that critical first bar. That's the reality.
Can you imagine a band leader who delivers a 4/4 count-in to the band members who then must start playing in 3/4? No, neither can I, but that's what BiaB does in these circumstances.
Sorry I have to say this, but it's way past time for this issue to be resolved. It may be difficult, but it's not impossible.
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#717524 - 05/20/22 01:33 PM
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Sorry I have to say this, but it's way past time for this issue to be resolved. It may be difficult, but it's not impossible. +1 I totally agree with that. It's really rather fundamental. I rather suspect there's some nasty under the surface that makes it very difficult ... perhaps backward compatibility issues? I do wonder if it's tied in with the rather limited handling generally of time signatures. I appreciate that there are some weird ones around(*), but 5/4 and 12/8 are pretty common and 7/8 is not exactly rare. (*)My wife wanted to sing with the band and wanted "Light Flight" as done by Pentangle. No worries ... the verses are in 5/4+5/4+2/4 and the chorus in 6/4. Even Pentangle admitted they'd never worked out how to count it in properly :-)
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#717528 - 05/20/22 02:51 PM
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What I'm saying is there is no reason I can see that the method I describe can't be integrated into Biab now, like today, if I had the source code I would code it now and upload it. Whatever the first time signature is set to it will play 2 bars of that then start play at bar 1 or a custom start point. Maybe it's because they spend 6 months re-programming Mac that there is not the time left to fit these things in, I don't know...... Watch https://www.dropbox.com/s/nf3htbh420pkbx6/Reaper-Count-In.mp4?dl=0
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#719421 - 06/07/22 12:36 PM
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They could sell some ad space in this forum to pay for the fix.  Views 71598
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#758267 - 03/17/23 12:25 PM
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If a song has a mix of 3/4 and 4/4 time signatures, and needs to start in 3/4, it needs to use a 4/4 style and use F5 to set the first bar to 3/4. However, this means that the count-in will be in 4/4 when the song then actually starts in 3/4.
It seems to me that it would be a whole lot more practical if Band In A Box just produced the count-in using the same time-signature as the first bar of the song. If the first bar plays in 3/4, the count in should automatically be in 3/4. This would be a great improvement. Hopefully there is still interest from the BiaB fraternity. Feel free to comment.
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#758271 - 03/17/23 12:50 PM
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+1 for a count-in that matches the time signature of the first bar in a song.
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#758287 - 03/17/23 03:23 PM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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Again another big +1
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#758312 - 03/17/23 07:01 PM
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39379 views and still waiting... 83444 views and still waiting... I suppose if it's using a 4/4 style that 4/4 Drum will have a 4/4 count-in recorded in it, it would have to load a count-in from a 3/4 recorded drum RealDrum and set the 2 count-in bars to 3/4 but then if you have to use a 4/4 style when you have 3/4 changes then there must be a big issue stopping this if it hasn't been done by now ? We plan to add support for floating point tempos and any time signature, in BiaB, plug-in maybe when this is overhauled and updated other issue will be then doable ?
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#758327 - 03/18/23 02:51 AM
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#758346 - 03/18/23 07:20 AM
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I see I was the first +1 ten years ago, but I'm changing my mind. This feature as it is now makes counting in a song more adventurous to follow, and who wouldn't want that? Are all 88,000+ of you not up to the challenge? No? You would like this fixed?
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#758464 - 03/19/23 10:42 AM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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I see I was the first +1 ten years ago, but I'm changing my mind. This feature as it is now makes counting in a song more adventurous to follow, and who wouldn't want that? Are all 88,000+ of you not up to the challenge? No? You would like this fixed?
Well, this made me smile (if I didn't laugh I'd cry). I also witnessed the use of the word 'Whoa' from this thread. Very appropriate. Any more takers? (This is a really important bug that needs resolving)
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#758472 - 03/19/23 11:39 AM
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Gimme a Whoa:
"WHOA"
Gimme a Fix:
"FIX"
What's that spell?
"WHOAFIX"
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Huh?
Yeah, OK.
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#758485 - 03/19/23 03:54 PM
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Yes, it's sort of like begging:
WHOcAnFIX ?
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#758497 - 03/19/23 06:41 PM
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Not bad!
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#772275 - 07/28/23 05:40 PM
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Another nudge. PG Music agree it's a good idea.
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#772294 - 07/29/23 04:38 AM
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Another nudge. PG Music agree it's a good idea.
World peace is a good idea.
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#772363 - 07/29/23 03:11 PM
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07/05/2013 10:16 PMIf a song has a mix of 3/4 and 4/4 time signatures, and needs to start in 3/4, it needs to use a 4/4 style and use F5 to set the first bar to 3/4. However, this means that the count-in will be in 4/4 when the song then actually starts in 3/4.
It seems to me that it would be a whole lot more practical if Band In A Box just produced the count-in using the same time-signature as the first bar of the song. If the first bar plays in 3/4, the count in should automatically be in 3/4. This would be a great improvement.
Hope others approve.
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Trevor Another nudge. PG Music agree it's a good idea.
There are lots of "good ideas" here but I thought you had to get 100,000 views, 10 pages and 10 years first ?  Is this another issue where you are stuck: Get your programming sorted so you can implement things easily and quickly for both Win and Mac. It's like the time signatures saga that got stuck in the way they are for so long because of how they were made, it's the same with the programming way you have been stuck in for so long. All of these issues are now manifesting, the dam is starting to show it's leaks, the lid is blowing off the pressure cooker because they kept being put off for song long. Really you need to bite the bullet and New Ways of Doing Things, Quantum Leaps In Thinking You have an old car with a good engine but you keep patching the body up, going off half cocked. ... and the 255 bar limit and I'm sure some other things.
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#772696 - 08/01/23 04:08 PM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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Notes: For time signature higher than 4/4, each bar is spread out over 2 or more bars (e.g. 5/4 will be written as 3/4+2/4).
So would you need 4 pre roll bars to get a 5/4 count-in to fit ?
The only way I can see is have it work like the AutoHotkey script play the count-in with a metronome without playing bars -1 and 0 then start play at bar 1 OR any chosen bar to start the count-off as Reaper can do.
Unless you add RealTimeSignatures so then the count-in bars will be in the real time signature and can then play the correct 2 bar count-in.
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#772701 - 08/01/23 07:39 PM
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Hey can I do a + 1 Too?!?!?! I wanna say Whoa like Matt did!
(Obvious attempt to boost post count)
Hey maybe by the time this gets fixed Audio track will be call four dimensional-Ai-track, Musocity will be Nursinghomecity, Rustyspoon will get new silverware, and well Matt will still be Matt
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#772708 - 08/02/23 01:47 AM
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Well, in a nutshell, the program creator favored the idea many years ago, and years later still states it's a good idea. But this serious deficiency still exists in 2013.
This issue does need serious attention.
The count-in to a song is there for very good musical reasons. At the very least it tells the performers
a:) when to start,
b:) the song tempo, and
c:) the time signature.
Musicians need an accurate count-in. Simple. Receiving a 4/4 count-in for the start of a 3/4 song is way beyond crazy. It's an extremely serious program deficiency.
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