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Very cool, Aleck. Later, Ray


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Aleck, Great B3 solo that you played, also your usual stellar guitar work. I am currently reading a book by Peter Erskine of Weather Report and he talks a lot about Elvin

Jones, so I struggled a little to hear the drums. i know how you feel about going back to fix the mix . I am the same way. I like to keep moving on to the next one. Great

Job I enjoyed it. Tom

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Hey Tommy,

Thanks so much for your kind words. Yeh, the drums should have been louder, but evidently we see eye-to-eye on the endless mix process. After bustin' my chops on this difficult tune (trying to hear the changes off Larry Young's original recording - not easy), trying a thousand times to get that B3 solo nailed, etc. There's only so much energy left. And then you gotta mix and mix? Oh, man ...

Thanks again pal

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Hey Ray,

I've noticed you're a man of few words, but every one counts. Getting two complements from you on one tune ... now that really means something to me.

Thanks, man

Dean

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Hi Aleck ;-{)
Just dropped by to see if I could get the hang of this Jazz Thing. Nah!Too many notes in each bar - lol!!
That B3 solo was awesome and what a great sound too. I guess the solo guitar break is you also?
I have to admit it - yes, I did enjoy this. A bit. OK, OK, quite a bit. OK, OK,OK - a LOT!!!! Will that do?
I know what you mean by endless remixing. I can hear stuff of mine from before and think "Shall I, Shall,nt I?" but I have to move on or I'd never get anything new done.
Excellent sound file even if the drummer is playing in another room! lol!!(joke)
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Hi Spacedog and Videotrack,

You have my profound thanks fellas - and I regret being so late to respond. I never thought this tune would fly on the Forum. No way. But, unlike my other "boat anchors," this one didn't sink out of sight in a day. It's still hangin' round!
Amazing.

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Hi Ian,

Well, well, well. I may be winning over a few converts. I got a big kick out of your favorable review, and appreciate it very much.

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Aleck,

I would have thought that now that we have Mike LeDonne tracks in BIAB, nobody would every post themselves playing the B3. I'm glad that I was wrong, because you absolutely killed it! The entire track was awesome. There is nothing better in the world than guitar and B3 together (maybe peanut butter and chocolate?) and the horn head made for a swing-gasm when the organ trio kicked in.

I loved every minute of it. Great sound.


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Hey Ken,

Your comments make my day and I'm also glad that you brought up Mike and the B3 RealTracks. I have used them successfully, for example, in https://soundcloud.com/aleckrand/close-your-eyes and https://soundcloud.com/aleckrand/sonny. You may want to check these out to hear Mike's comping and soloing. He's the real deal alright.

But when I tried the B3 RealTracks in MOONTRANE the results were - how to describe it - let's say: incoherent, at best. The changes come too quickly and have few of the orthodox transitions.

The moral: BIAB/RealBand is an amazing feat of imagination and computer science prowess. But, at this stage, it isn't Deep Blue or whatever succeeded IBM's chess-playing program. It wouldn't survive the Turing Test, although it might hang on for a while with simple tunes. But MOONTRANE would defeat it. Who knows about the future?

But, in a more important sense, BIAB/RealBand is much better than Deep Blue, which relies only on refrigerator-sized CPUs and brute combinatorial force.

Instead, BIAB/RB is a kind of symbiotic weld of musician to machine. The better you are, the better BIAB does. And the better BIAB does - with voicings and sounds that you might not think of - the better you do. You learn from it. Of course, there are programs in other fields for which the same thing holds. But I can't think of anything else remotely like it in music.

Thanks again for your compliments.

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Originally Posted By: aleck rand


The moral: BIAB/RealBand is an amazing feat of imagination and computer science prowess. But, at this stage, it isn't Deep Blue or whatever succeeded IBM's chess-playing program. It wouldn't survive the Turing Test, although it might hang on for a while with simple tunes. But MOONTRANE would defeat it. Who knows about the future?



I know what you mean. For me it fails the Turing test when I want the solo to cleave close to the melody, or come back and quote a little piece of the melody. Since it can't really do that, I'm sometimes forced to pull out a guitar and do those parts myself.

But I could swear that on some songs, like Steve Nelson on vibes soloing to All The Things You Are, that the chords are so recognizable they assume that is the song and just generate the solo with that assumption. That one definitely passes the Turing test IMO.


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Ken,

You're the first one I ever heard mention Mike LeDonne or Steve Nelson. As you know, Mike is one of the B3 monsters of the day (along with Joey, Dr. Lonnie, and a few others), and Steve and Joe Locke come in a photo finish as best vibes player. Your comments on BIAB/RB and the Turing Test now prompt me to marvel at how PG Music was able to corral these and other powerhouse players to create the RealTracks.

Yeh, you're right about the TT. BIAB/RB could hang around for quite a while - you're example of All The Things You Are - before someone asks the question that brings forth the response, "Ah, yes, now we know which one is the computer."

But, I suspect that before too long, something like BIAB/RB will be able to handle tunes like we've mentioned and hang around still longer ... and longer ...

Scary, man.

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Originally Posted By: aleck rand

.....The better you are, the better BIAB does. And the better BIAB does, the better you do.....

Dean Clark (aka Aleck Rand)



Ya know, Dean, that would make a great strapline statement for PG Music. smile
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