Just installed BIAB 2014 on a clean SSD. Forte was installed and activated in the 2013 BIAB which is on another now removed drive. Forte DXi appears in the midi/audio setup options window and also in the DXi synth settings window. Do I need to reactivate it or otherwise install anything or has BIAB 2014 automatically found it and set it up?
Forte DXi installs to the System on the system drive such that it is always there to be used by any program that can access DXi plugins.
If you have the Use DXi checked inside the Options->MIDI/Audio... window in that copy of BB, and if the Forte synth is selected, it should play just as always.
Watch out for those Foo Fighters up there, and CheckSix,
It's possible that you will need to paste in your activation code after the 30 day demo period. This is a separate Forte code, not the Biab one. That happened to me when I changed computers two years ago. Of course I couldn't find it (I had written it down and put it "somewhere") so I called Support and they emailed it to me right away.
Yes, starting over from scratch with new SSD for System, if you didn't mirror the system to the SSD, you likely will have to install Forte DXi and authorize again.
But if you successfully mirrored the original drive, it should just work authorized as before.
While on the subject: Coyote Electronics shows Forte version number 1.3. Control panel shows my Forte as version number 1.6. Any idea what the current version is and is Forte an updateable? program or do you need to buy a more current version if available?
Hi All, I have been following this thread because I wanted to use CoyoteWT in Sonar. I was not aware that Coyote Forte was installed with BIAB (not on my machine) or is Coyote Forte and CoyoteWT the same? When I added it from the DXi list I got the message that it 'Failed to insert the soft synth. It may not be properly installed'. I assumed that this was because it was only registered for used with BIAB. The synth works fine in BIAB. Then I realised that I was using Sonar X3 x64 whereas BIAB is only 32 bit. When I used X3 x32 there was no problem.
My question is this: Since Coyote is only 32 bit, is there a 64 bit VST version (or equivalent)?
I am aware of the criticisms of this synth with regard to quality of sound, but it is a really valuable synth because of it's multi timbral capability and so I can get a midi file up and running for audition within Sonar or Ableton without having to insert lots of different instruments (much in the same way that RealBand routes all channels to the default VST)
Hi All, I have been following this thread because I wanted to use CoyoteWT in Sonar. I was not aware that Coyote Forte was installed with BIAB (not on my machine) or is Coyote Forte and CoyoteWT the same? When I added it from the DXi list I got the message that it 'Failed to insert the soft synth. It may not be properly installed'. I assumed that this was because it was only registered for used with BIAB. The synth works fine in BIAB. Then I realised that I was using Sonar X3 x64 whereas BIAB is only 32 bit. When I used X3 x32 there was no problem.
My question is this: Since Coyote is only 32 bit, is there a 64 bit VST version (or equivalent)?
I am aware of the criticisms of this synth with regard to quality of sound, but it is a really valuable synth because of it's multi timbral capability and so I can get a midi file up and running for audition within Sonar or Ableton without having to insert lots of different instruments (much in the same way that RealBand routes all channels to the default VST)
Thanks
You have Sonar so you have 64 bit GM in TTS-1. This comes with Sonar and is better than Coyote IMHO.
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However, some folks have found a workaround. Coyote Forte has been converted into a GM sf2 which will load in the 64 synth which uses the sf2 formats. It can be available for the asking...
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Hi All,--- I was not aware that Coyote Forte was installed with BIAB (not on my machine) - - - Thanks
AFIAK its not. You BUY Forte ( or used to be able to) via our PG website for a few dollars. WT is the installed freebie. For the little that I use midi I find Forte to be acceptable. HTH Ian
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Coyote Forte is a 32 bit sound module that you must purchase. The reason why you must purchase it is because Forte includes unique instrument patches.
Coyote WT is also 32 bit but it uses the standard Windows instrument patches.
Edit (Andrew - PG Music): there is also a 64-bit Coyote WT.
PG Music packages two midi sound modules with Band-in-a-Box (2019), the Coyote WT (64 bit and 32 bit), and 64 bit VST Synthfont 64. +++ HERE +++ is the blurb copied from the 2019 BiaB for Windows new features webpage.
Quote:
VSTSynthFont64 Included
The 64-bit version of Band-in-a-Box® allows you to use the VSTSynthFont64 as the General MIDI (GM) synth. With the VSTSynthFont64, you can specify any GM soundfont or DLS files, including larger ones over 2 GB.
+++ HERE +++ is a hyperlink to the Coyote Forte webpage. If you scroll all the way down to the bottom of the webpage you will notice the page was last updated September, 2006.
Last edited by Andrew - PG Music; 10/10/1907:23 AM. Reason: Correction - Coyote WT is also 64-bit
Coyote WT uses the internal MIDI sounds that comes with Windows (which I understand has its roots in a very old Roland General MIDI small sound library, hence the quality...or lack thereof...of the sounds).
Coyote Forte uses Giga format samples (I remember when Mac tried to substitute some of his Giga samples to get better sounds, but apparently there were some size limitations within the interface that prevented this from being successful...he was hoping that Forte could have been a nice Giga player). I suspect that SF2 version mentioned is merely the Giga format samples converted to SF2 format.
John
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Hi Mario, I understand, but that is why I was looking for a VST equivalent of this type of instrument. Really just for quick and dirty auditioning of midi files within the DAW. Since Ableton now only exists in x64 bit version then I need it to be x64bit if possible (to avoid jbridege)
Hi Mario, I understand, but that is why I was looking for a VST equivalent of this type of instrument. Really just for quick and dirty auditioning of midi files within the DAW. Since Ableton now only exists in x64 bit version then I need it to be x64bit if possible (to avoid jbridege)
John
For my occasional GM use I have an old Kawai GMega tone generator. I picked this up a few years ago for very little money. You might want to search Ebay and other places for a GM tone generator.
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PG Music included +++ Synthfont64 +++ for use with the 64 bit version of Band-in-a-Box. The version of the program PG Music provides has a built-in 16 channel midi player and automatically loads GM patches but that version only works correctly with Band-in-a-Box. However, the hyperlink points to both free and paid versions that are unlocked. Both require the user to manually load instrument patches.
Another program PG Music has used in the past is +++ Sforzando +++. When PG Music used the program it was available only in 32 bit but is now available in both 32 and 64 bit versions. The player is created and maintained by the same developers that created Rapture for Cakewalk Sonar. Again you must manually load instrument patches. The website linked above has a wealth of instrument patches to choose from.
I like Xpand!2 but just a note to OTHERS, not you Jim you already know this: XPand!2 is NOT GM compliant, it is not a GM module. Although selecting XPand!2 patches, per BIAB part, is not orbital mechanics either.
Xpand!2 at $15 you get a lot of very good usable sounds - so it is a good deal but it might get even cheaper at Holidays (it was last few years).
Another AIR program that's on sale right now is Structure 2 - $29, that is also very good deal, at either Don't Crack or Plugin Boutique. It is has same AIR sounds/samples as Xpand!2 only more of them - 37 GB's. Again it is NOT GM and is not as straight forward to use as Xpand!2 but is is more complex and flexible than Xpand!2.
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Its the other way around XPAND!2, for use in BIAB is a LOT LESS intuitive than STRUCTURE
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It's not free, but I like using Halion Sonic as my GM multi-timbral VST now.
Not intending to hijack the thread, but John, how do you find Halion Sonic, say on a scale out of 10? I am exploring it also - with an intention to possibly invest.
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I find it on par with Coyote Forte or the TTS-1, and some of the sounds even better. I actually own the full Halion 6, and you get Halion Sonic with it (as a sort of light weight Halion for when you are just trying things out). But of course, you can buy Halion Sonic separately, as well.
I know there are a few other Halion Sonic users here as well, so hopefully they'll also chime in.
I have the Steinberg eLicenser (dongle) so I can install and use it on multiple computers, so I don't know if you can also do software authentication/authorization on a single computer. Someoneelse can answer that.
When you use it, you have to open the interface and set it to GM mode for it to work seamlessly in BIAB, but it seems to remember that setting from session to session. I did find a couple of basses playing an octave too low, but that's easily fixed in BIAB.
John
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Thanks Jim, a lovely vst and well the price. However, I only get those lovely sounds when I use it with Ableton (which is OK because that is mainly where I will use it) but no sound when used in Sonar X3 or RealBand which I thought was odd.
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