Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
If you have the proper acoustically treated room, go for the top of the line mic.
Of course, the Mic by itself is no guarantee of success, one must also consider the higher cost of a Mic Preamp worthy of the Mic's specs as well.
The other side of that coin is just as you state regarding the "10X" price thing: I don't believe cost v performance is a linear correlation.
The Law of Diminishing Return kicks in really hard and fast when the word, "Audiophile" is applied...
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,815
Expert
|
Expert
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,815 |
depends on what $100 mic you are using.
No one ever said that $1,000 mic had to be 10x better than a $100 mic. Maybe it is 10%, 20% or 50% better (or even 2x better). or maybe it is 10x better with a certain voice or instrument. No way to really know.
I get by with a cheapo deluxe mxl v63m -- works well enough for my uses. But I could easily see myself blowing a few hundred on a vocal condenser mic and an acoustic instrument condenser mic.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
The mew MAC XCLBR-10,000 Extra Large Condenser Mic is "Mo' Bettuh". Supplies are limited, hurry. Act now. --Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,567
Veteran
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,567 |
Define 'define'
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,861
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,861 |
Define "are".
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 8,987
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 8,987 |
Define "mo"!
Seriously, the Shure SM-57/58 has been around since Custer was a corpuscle and is still a popular choice for under 100 Loonies. Certainly Chet Atkins or Mark Knopfler could afford any mic but check oot what their using on major performances, 57s and 58s.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 14,057
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 14,057 |
The only scenario I'd believe would be a double blind study. BS prevails in the industry.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,567
Veteran
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,567 |
so we gotta find us a couple of blind bluesmen and put them to the test...
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,021
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,021 |
depends on the singer. A $1000 mic is wasted on a $10 singer and can actually be a less then desirable product for such.It will show the truth.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,384
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,384 |
Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,861
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,861 |
Jazzmandan has found the $10 singer aforementioned? That was funny.
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
She seemed so talented on the couch the night before...
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,324
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,324 |
Well, to the OP's question.... Is a $100 mic as good as a $1000 mic? My take on this: A few years ago (2009) I was at a songwriter's convention where there were a number of vendors set up. One such vendor was a company called Gauge Microphones. http://www.gauge-usa.com/Gauge_Microphones/Home.htmlThey had their mics set up side by side with mics that were 10x as costly. You could try the mics side by side to compare. I heard no appreciable difference. On their web site they have the same side by side comparison in the form of audio clips of the same instrument or vocal recorded. So while some very expensive mics do have certain characteristics, many less expensive mics can and do hold their own very well against them. There is no need for a home recordists to spend thousands on a mic when a mic which sounds nearly the same is much less expensive. That money is better spent on other things that DO make a substantial difference in the studio sound. Just my 2 cents. Note: I had just spent $400 on a Rode NT-2A a few weeks before I heard the Gauge mics. Had I known about Gauge, I would now be an owner of a Gauge and not the Rode. I'm happy with the Rode, but I could have saved a few hundred on the Gauge and had the same quality sound.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,739
Expert
|
Expert
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,739 |
I have often wondered about this too. My 'worst mic is a bluebottle mic which cost me £600 UK whilst I am very happy with a couple of Eagle mics costing 25 UK . I often wonder why those classic mics of the past that are so sought after - such as the Neumann 87 command such a price (£2000 UK or more) when the technology of the past is so easily emulated or even surpassed by today's CAD tech and micro engineering. Are they just happy accidents?
Surely some of the U87 Chinese clones must be as good?
Zero
Win 11 64, Asus Rog Strix z390 mobo, 64 gig RAM, 8700k
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,739
Expert
|
Expert
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,739 |
https://soundcloud.com/jaredmansfield/14-neumann-u87-shure-sm58-no/s-7PeaOThis is an interesting comparison between the flagship U87 and the ubiquitous SM58.
Last edited by ZeroZero; 12/11/13 12:21 PM.
Win 11 64, Asus Rog Strix z390 mobo, 64 gig RAM, 8700k
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,631
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,631 |
Antares re-released their microphone modeler, which is on sale now. It irritatingly requires an iLok, so I won't be getting it - I hate the idea of my critical software being at the mercy of one easily losable dongle. But I digress... It obviously can't create signals where none exist. Rather, it emulates the response of a number of classic microphones to a signal. The legalese: This product is not guaranteed to produce, and will not necessarily produce, audio results that are consistent with or match audio results that could be achieved using any of the referenced microphone models. In the end, things like this are just a tool. If it gets you closer to the result you want, great. For $30 (on sale) it looks like a potentially useful thing to have.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,861
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,861 |
My favorite mic in each of the larger studios is always their oldest RCA ribbon mic from the 40s. Never fails. Neumann sounds not as good with horns. The AKG 414 is a decent fallback.
At home, I use a ribbon mic from Beyerdynamic. I have some good Shure and Rode condensers, but the ribbon is better. Keep in mind I am only recording wind instruments. Whole different story for vocals.
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
For the Trumpet or Flugelhorn, if I couldn't get 'em to set up a good Ribbon Mic as per Matt's likes (and Matt's a mighty fine Horn Player, folks), my second choice would be to ask 'em if they have an EV RE-20.
The RE-20 is also great for the Lead work, the screeching, or other "powerhouse" brass horn stuff. It doesn't overload easily.
And if the job of the day is doing something ala the Meynard Ferguson/Doc Severinsen thing, you may risk damage to the Ribbon Mic - and a mighty upset Tracking Engineer.
Only bringing this up in order to point out that one type of mic may not work as well in different types of music, even with the same source instrument of voice.
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!
The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!
Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.
This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245
The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option
Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!
Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!
For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.
Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.
Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!
Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.
Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!
With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!
If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!
The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!
There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.
If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.
We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!
Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.
Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums66
Topics81,587
Posts734,736
Members38,500
|
Most Online2,537 Jan 19th, 2020
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|