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In reply to Pat (I double-checked to make sure I'm not confusing him with someone else  ): “Its really a question of censorship on the forum, and which group gets to decide what's not allowed. We've had this discussion several times , and it always ends up that we decide censorship is not what we want...” Pat, I don't see a post where anyone has called for 'censorship'. Several people commented on the content, language and propriety of the song posted by the OP. One of Noel's comments was: “I cannot agree with nor support the views your lyrics express.” I see no desire to censor, merely a personal statement of opinion. In fact, Noel continues by saying: “...it has every right to be posted here. ...” He follows that by saying: “...Lyrically, I don't think that PG Music's forums are the place for this song.” Again; opinion. Then, he actually says: “That's just my view, though. Ultimately, PG Music will make the decision.” Again; no call for 'censorship'. Only a statement of opinion. I'm not aware of anyone notifying the mods. I know I certainly didn't. I abhor censorship. “It is another situation in which two groups having opposing and irreconcileable opinions fight for control of the forum.” I don't see anyone fighting for 'control' of the forum. I don't even see “two groups”; just individuals expressing an opinion on a song that was posted to invite comment and opinion. “All comments/suggestions appreciated.” When one posts a song about a 15 year old being seduced by his 32 year old teacher, one should expect controversy. I believe that was the actual intent of the OP. “The most peaceable response when you don't like a post or a song, is to skip over it.” Obviously, my responses were the least 'peaceable' of all. Certainly not as peaceable as those who commented on the “grey area” and “relativity” and the definition of “prepubescent”. It is just this sort or moral ambiguity that I find reprehensible, and if someone posts such controversial material, I believe that I have the right, and indeed the responsibility, to comment on it. I am no 'Puritan', though I do confess to being a gasp....”Christian”; so yes, my views are informed by my belief system. I never have and never will attempt to impose my beliefs on anyone. I could care less what transpires between two consenting adults. I do, however, draw the line at the exploitation of children, whatever the arbitrary age of majority, and reserve my right to comment on it. Just my opinion; no more valid than anyone else's.
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Pat, I don't see a post where anyone has called for 'censorship'. Several people commented on the content, language and propriety of the song posted by the OP.
You're right, there hasn't been an explicit request for censorship... but when the main points of a discussion pertain to ideology and what's appropriate in the forum, it's generally done to set boundaries. And in a text-based community, boundaries are enforced by rules that censor whatever form of communication has been deemed unacceptable by the most influential group. The difference between a fight and a discussion is that discussion has a point. If your point is that the post shouldn't be allowed, then we ARE talking about censorship, we just haven't said it aloud yet. If your point is that you don't like it but he has a right to post it, one post would have accomplished that. (and I think it is good to do that, BTW) Maybe I'm wrong here, and this is just one of those healthy expressions of different points of view. If so, then take what I said as yet another opinion. FWIW, if we HAD to take sides, I would be on your side. The whole point of my post is to avoid polarizing the forum over ideology.
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“You're right, there hasn't been an explicit request for censorship... but when the main points of a discussion pertain to ideology and what's appropriate in the forum, it's generally done to set boundaries. And in a text-based community, boundaries are enforced by rules that censor whatever form of communication has been deemed unacceptable by the most influential group.”
So in the absence of an “explicit” request for censorship, you choose to invent one to satisfy your desire to be hall monitor? Knock yourself out, man.
In future, I will keep my opinions to myself. Problem solved.
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No, I wanna be the hall monitor! Over at JPF, I deleted a song that had an old guy (~50) professing his love to a young girl (~16) and was trying to get together with her even though "everyone said it was wrong". It was just too dang creepy and perverted. Yup, censorship!
This song is different. It is about a past event from the "victim's" viewpoint. However, I don't feel any connection with the writer or the older lover. Therefore I am not invested in either one of them and my overall reaction to the song is sort of "OK, how's the music?" Doesn't do much for me either, so I cut it off.
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.. a song about a 15 year old being seduced by his 32 year old teacher .. I guess I missed the 'teacher' part. Oh, wait, I didn't .. It said it was summer. Not a time to be meeting a teacher. It does say "she would meet me after class'. Anybody can meet me after class .. it means the writer went to class, not the other party. It infers after school. (note, the fact it was summer and after class was one of the story's weak points) It also repeats "I’ll be your teacher and your sister and your lover and your mother" I didn't assume any of them were literal or we'd be having an incest discussion too. If it were a teacher, you are right; there is a whole different aspect (covered by law by the way). I only posted originally to make a point that true pedophilia usually isn't used when it is a 15 yr old, but the discussion has taken a lot of interesting turns. Believe me, I'm not on the side that opposes your point of view, I simply don't see the lyrics saying what you say they are saying. Just how I read it.
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As far as I can see there are no sides going on here. I wish people would stop using the term. All that has happened is some thought the lyrics were about a particular theme and others thought they weren't. Period! And that perhaps some posts were a bit of an over-reaction. NO-ONE as far as I can see anyway, is even suggesting that paedophilia should be somehow condoned!!!! So please, there are no sides going on here, so nobody needs to choose a captain or play the "party politics" 
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Hmmm! Disturbing. Maybe not advocating a crime but certainly on the fringe.
Though your lyrics allude to a "she" I can't help but think "she" is more like Lola in the song from the Kinks.
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Hmmm! Disturbing. Maybe not advocating a crime but certainly on the fringe.
Though your lyrics allude to a "she" I can't help but think "she" is more like Lola in the song from the Kinks.
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This ones not for me.
The BIAB part is fine, its the subject matter.
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