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MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? #229314 12/18/13 03:00 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 273 Upstate NY, USA N newbert OP Apprentice
OP newbert Apprentice N Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 273 Upstate NY, USA	I have a Yamaha DGX640 keyboard connected to my laptop computer via a USB-MIDI cable. The laptop computer has an i5 CPU and 8Gigs Ram, running Windows 7 - 64 bit. I've changed my MIDI driver settings in BIAB2014 per this video, but I'm still experiencing quite a bit of latency. As explained in the video, I've set the MIDI driver to CoyoteWT and the Audio Settings to ASIO (using ASIO4All v2). Is there something further I can tweak to help lower the latency? If it helps to analyze the problem, note that I also use the ASIO4All driver with Pianoteq software (NOT concurrently BIAB, of course), and experience no latency there. Any ideas on what I should try? Thanks! Kawai VPC1 MIDI Controller; Asus A53E Laptop running Windows 7 - 64 bit; BIAB 2017 UltraPlusPak (upgraded from 2014 EverythingPak), running from Laptop's Hard Drive.

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? newbert #229317 12/18/13 03:25 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	What does BB MIDI/Audio window report as the latency time? PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? newbert #229320 12/18/13 03:33 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 18,864 Australia	Bert, Here's an article from PG Music on latency. http://www.pgmusic.com/tutorial_bbwlatency.htm I remember that a few years ago, when I installed BIAB on a brand new computer, the latency factor increased considerably even though I had had very little latency only the day before on the previous computer. Then something happened. I went back to my computer the following day and the (lack of) latency was back to what it had been on my old computer. I have no idea what I did but it seems that I must have entered into something and simply by entering that and then exiting it, I had changed something. I mention the above because even though I have no idea what happened, there are some things to try. Below is the process that I would have gone through so it might have been what solved the problem. Let's try this ... Actually, before trying anything, save your present settings by using "Opt \| Save preferences as ..." - this then gives a way to get back to your present settings if the below attempt is fruitless. 1. Click on "Prefs" (#1). 2. Now select "Midi Driver" (#2). In the Window that pops up (as shown above) ... 3. Click on "Get Input Drivers" (#3) and then select the input that your keyboard is attached to (#4). 4. Click on "Run Driver Wizard" (#5) and choose the top option for the GS Wavetable Synth. Click OK. Check that the Wavetable synth is selected (#6). 5. Make sure the two check boxes for "Use VST/DXi Synth" and "Route MIDI through MIDI driver" are un-checked (#7). 6. Set #8 to 120 (as per the instructions below this window). Exit the setup. Close BIAB. Restart the computer. Restart BIAB and try it out. It might not be a solution but it's worth a shot. Hope this helps, Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2024 audios on Soundcloud

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? Noel96 #229328 12/18/13 03:51 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	As it looks like Noel also found out, sometimes a Reboot of the puter is all it takes. Windoze, y'know. Other times, inside BB, A Return to Factory Settings can fix such as well. Why, I dunno, but it has worked before here. --Mac PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? Mac #229346 12/18/13 05:06 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Tony Wright Journeyman T Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 708 Waterloo Ontario Canada	I hope you have better luck with latency than I have had over the years. I have never been able to permanently get zero noticeable latency when using my keyboard with BIAB and a soft synthesizer. I have tried every possible ASIO/driver combination and fiddled with settings for hours and asked all kinds of question on this forum. I have often thought I have cracked the problem only for it to re-appear. This may not apply to you but the one latency issue I can never solve is when using the "pause PLAY until MIDI received" It is very hard to get this to work with no latency, which defeats the object of this feature. This is why I switched to a hard synth (sound module) years ago which never has any latency issues of any kind. I haven't tried recently so things may be better but I love my sound module and have dozens of songs that use it's higher banks. Tony

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? Noel96 #229353 12/18/13 05:25 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP newbert Apprentice N Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 273 Upstate NY, USA	Well, Following Noel's advice, I have good news and I have bad news..... First, the good news....the latency is gone. The bad news.....all sounds generated from either the MIDI keyboard or BIAB's Big Piano are gone too. In other words, I can't get either to play. Before I could get sounds to play, but only about a 1/2 second after inputting them. I have shutdown BIAB, and rebooted the PC and have the same result. Kawai VPC1 MIDI Controller; Asus A53E Laptop running Windows 7 - 64 bit; BIAB 2017 UltraPlusPak (upgraded from 2014 EverythingPak), running from Laptop's Hard Drive.

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? Mac #229354 12/18/13 05:26 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP newbert Apprentice N Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 273 Upstate NY, USA	Originally Posted By: Mac As it looks like Noel also found out, sometimes a Reboot of the puter is all it takes. Windoze, y'know. Other times, inside BB, A Return to Factory Settings can fix such as well. Why, I dunno, but it has worked before here. --Mac Oohhh.....I don't know if I'm willing to do a return to factory settings after finally getting the Hi-Q sounds issue sorted out..... Kawai VPC1 MIDI Controller; Asus A53E Laptop running Windows 7 - 64 bit; BIAB 2017 UltraPlusPak (upgraded from 2014 EverythingPak), running from Laptop's Hard Drive.

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? Tony Wright #229355 12/18/13 05:28 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP newbert Apprentice N Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 273 Upstate NY, USA	Originally Posted By: Tony Wright I hope you have better luck with latency than I have had over the years. I have never been able to permanently get zero noticeable latency when using my keyboard with BIAB and a soft synthesizer. I have tried every possible ASIO/driver combination and fiddled with settings for hours and asked all kinds of question on this forum. I have often thought I have cracked the problem only for it to re-appear. This may not apply to you but the one latency issue I can never solve is when using the "pause PLAY until MIDI received" It is very hard to get this to work with no latency, which defeats the object of this feature. This is why I switched to a hard synth (sound module) years ago which never has any latency issues of any kind. I haven't tried recently so things may be better but I love my sound module and have dozens of songs that use it's higher banks. Tony Well, that's not good news, Tony. Could you elaborate about the hardware synth (sound module) that you're using? I know NOTHING about them. How does it get hooked/configured to the digital piano and computer? Thanks. Kawai VPC1 MIDI Controller; Asus A53E Laptop running Windows 7 - 64 bit; BIAB 2017 UltraPlusPak (upgraded from 2014 EverythingPak), running from Laptop's Hard Drive.

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? newbert #229356 12/18/13 05:41 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 18,864 Australia	Bert, At the moment, your system is not set to reproduce sounds using VST/DXi (e.g. Sampletank, CoyoteWT, etc). That's what those two checkboxes #7 (in the image above do). So now that we're getting somewhere, activated the two checkboxes I've labelled as #7. Now click on the dropbox immediately below #7 and set the softsynth to CoyoteWT (you can see that mine is set to Cakewalk-TTS1). Exit and restart BIAB. (No need to restart the computer.) See if you still have low latency. MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2024 audios on Soundcloud

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? Noel96 #229366 12/18/13 06:06 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP newbert Apprentice N Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 273 Upstate NY, USA	Originally Posted By: Noel96 Bert, At the moment, your system is not set to reproduce sounds using VST/DXi (e.g. Sampletank, CoyoteWT, etc). That's what those two checkboxes #7 (in the image above do). So now that we're getting somewhere, activated the two checkboxes I've labelled as #7. Now click on the dropbox immediately below #7 and set the softsynth to CoyoteWT (you can see that mine is set to Cakewalk-TTS1). Exit and restart BIAB. (No need to restart the computer.) See if you still have low latency. I did as you suggested, Noel. And for about 5-10 seconds, it was working fine - very low latency. Then suddenly, the latency jumped to about 5 seconds, and it remains there! (That is not a typo....) Kawai VPC1 MIDI Controller; Asus A53E Laptop running Windows 7 - 64 bit; BIAB 2017 UltraPlusPak (upgraded from 2014 EverythingPak), running from Laptop's Hard Drive.

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? newbert #229388 12/18/13 07:15 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	Originally Posted By: newbert Originally Posted By: Mac As it looks like Noel also found out, sometimes a Reboot of the puter is all it takes. Windoze, y'know. Other times, inside BB, A Return to Factory Settings can fix such as well. Why, I dunno, but it has worked before here. --Mac Oohhh.....I don't know if I'm willing to do a return to factory settings after finally getting the Hi-Q sounds issue sorted out..... You can do a Return to Factory Settings without it touching your MIDI or Audio selections. After you pick it from the Options menu, you will see two choices, the first button only resets the other stuff and often cures problems such as this. There are also explanations on each button there. --Mac PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? newbert #229389 12/18/13 07:16 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 18,864 Australia	Bert, Is it possible for you to use the Snipping Tool to capture and image of your "MIDI Driver" setup? Once you've captured it, you can save it as a jpg. Once you have a jpg, you can then attach it to a forum post by ... 1. Switching to "Full Reply Screen" (next to the "preview reply" button> 2. Using "File Manager" that I've highlighted below. It would help a great deal if I can see your settings. Regards, Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2024 audios on Soundcloud

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? Noel96 #229393 12/18/13 07:33 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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earl kirby Journeyman Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 600 Mountain Home, Arkansas	Boy do I remember going through this problem! That held me up for YEARS. I was never able to get BIAB to work without noticeable latency. Ten someone in the forum suggested I needed to obtain a audio interface. I got the avid fasttrack from Sweetwater and had NO ORE problems with latency since. Have moved up to the fastrack Pro and love it. Of course I also got into ProTools and Sonar at the same time. Good luck. I will be watching your progress with real interest. Dell 610 dual Monitor, win 7-10, Sonar Plat, ProTools 10 & 11, Reaper 4, BIAB/real Band 2022, Easy Drummer, Superior Drummer, Kontact Essentials, Personnel Orchestra, Korg Legacy Analog & Digital

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? Noel96 #229555 12/19/13 10:45 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP newbert Apprentice N Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 273 Upstate NY, USA	Originally Posted By: Noel96 Bert, Is it possible for you to use the Snipping Tool to capture and image of your "MIDI Driver" setup? Once you've captured it, you can save it as a jpg. Once you have a jpg, you can then attach it to a forum post by ... 1. Switching to "Full Reply Screen" (next to the "preview reply" button> 2. Using "File Manager" that I've highlighted below. It would help a great deal if I can see your settings. Regards, Noel Been away from the computer for a time. Noel. I will work on getting a jpg posted here using the advice that you (I believe it was you...) provided in theother thread about Hi-Q files. I'm not sure what the "snipping tool" is or how it works, but I think that I'll manage to get a jpg posted otherwise. If not, I'll be back with questions about that. I'll get the jpg posted here later today. Thanks. Kawai VPC1 MIDI Controller; Asus A53E Laptop running Windows 7 - 64 bit; BIAB 2017 UltraPlusPak (upgraded from 2014 EverythingPak), running from Laptop's Hard Drive.

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? newbert #229559 12/19/13 11:09 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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jazzmammal Veteran Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,687 Redondo Beach, Ca.	When you have that window displaying the way you want it just hit your Print Screen button on your PC keyboard. That captures every pixel on your monitor and puts it in your clipboard. Open Microsoft Paint (in Start>All Programs>Accessories and paste it in by hitting Ctrl V. If you want to crop it so just that window shows, there's tools in Paint to do that. Then do a Save As and save it as a gif or jpeg file. Save it anywhere you want and then in the Forum File Manager browse to that pic and post it here. The only odd thing about this is when you hit the Preview Reply button that image doesn't show up so you can't see exactly what it looks like until you actually post it but if you followed these directions the image will be there. Bob Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? jazzmammal #229581 12/19/13 12:39 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP newbert Apprentice N Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 273 Upstate NY, USA	Thanks for the explanation, Bob. I'll getting to it in a few minutes. Kawai VPC1 MIDI Controller; Asus A53E Laptop running Windows 7 - 64 bit; BIAB 2017 UltraPlusPak (upgraded from 2014 EverythingPak), running from Laptop's Hard Drive.

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? newbert #229585 12/19/13 12:44 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Rob Helms Veteran R Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,798 Pawling New York	Newbert, what interface do you use to process through? Lenovo Win 10 16 gig ram, Mac mini with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2022, Realband, Harrison Mixbus 32c version 9.1324, Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app, Komplete 49 key controller.

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? Noel96 #229589 12/19/13 12:54 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP newbert Apprentice N Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 273 Upstate NY, USA	Originally Posted By: Noel96 Bert, Is it possible for you to use the Snipping Tool to capture and image of your "MIDI Driver" setup? Once you've captured it, you can save it as a jpg. Once you have a jpg, you can then attach it to a forum post by ... 1. Switching to "Full Reply Screen" (next to the "preview reply" button> 2. Using "File Manager" that I've highlighted below. It would help a great deal if I can see your settings. Regards, Noel Here are my current MIDI Settings, Noel. For some reason, the latency is greatly reduced today,but it's still perhaps 1/2 second. Kawai VPC1 MIDI Controller; Asus A53E Laptop running Windows 7 - 64 bit; BIAB 2017 UltraPlusPak (upgraded from 2014 EverythingPak), running from Laptop's Hard Drive.

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? newbert #229590 12/19/13 12:58 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP newbert Apprentice N Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 273 Upstate NY, USA	Hmm... No Pic. Let me try again. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) BIAB MIDI Setup.jpg (138.95 KB, 42 downloads) Kawai VPC1 MIDI Controller; Asus A53E Laptop running Windows 7 - 64 bit; BIAB 2017 UltraPlusPak (upgraded from 2014 EverythingPak), running from Laptop's Hard Drive.

Re: MIDI Keyboard and BIAB2014: How to Reduce Latency? Rob Helms #229591 12/19/13 01:00 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP newbert Apprentice N Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 273 Upstate NY, USA	Originally Posted By: Robh Newbert, what interface do you use to process through? Robh -- I'm a newbie to this stuff and don't understand the question. My DGX640 Digital Piano is connected to my laptop by a USB-MIDI cable, if that's what you mean.... Kawai VPC1 MIDI Controller; Asus A53E Laptop running Windows 7 - 64 bit; BIAB 2017 UltraPlusPak (upgraded from 2014 EverythingPak), running from Laptop's Hard Drive.

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