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Why is it that so many of the jazz RealStyles have the drummer using brushes? It is really quite a search to find styles that use sticks on a ride cymbal, the hi-hat playing a strong offbeat and fills on the snare - particularly difficult to find in swing styles.

My experience in jazz says that brushes are not the norm. In fact, I know several jazz drummers who do not even take brushes on a gig! The norm is as I described in my first paragraph, except for maybe accompanying female vocalists.

I have tried substituting drum styles but I find it a pretty long-winded process. With the Bass you have the ability to "Assign RealTracks to Track" and that process is quick and works fine. Why is the same facility not listed for drums? Is it a different process maybe?

What I need is all the jazz RealTrack rhythm sections for all tempos from 50-250 (important!) but with sticks instead of brushes available at a click. Is there an easy way to accomplish this?

I am wondering if anyone else has noticed this, umm, anomaly and what they do to get around it?

It is not a problem with midi styles - in fact I like the midi drums styles much better but obviously they do not 'swing' as well or sound as real.

While I am talking about what I guess are called the RealCombos, I would also like all the styles available as trios or quartets(with the guitar playing rhythm rather than comping), all tempos 50-250.

I really think this would improve the Band-in-a-Box offering for us jazz types if these were standard rather than having to construct them.


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Originally Posted By: Graham Martin
Why is it that so many of the jazz RealStyles have the drummer using brushes? It is really quite a search to find styles that use sticks on a ride cymbal, the hi-hat playing a strong offbeat and fills on the snare - particularly difficult to find in swing styles.

What I need is all the jazz RealTrack rhythm sections for all tempos from 50-250 (important!) but with sticks instead of brushes available at a click. Is there an easy way to accomplish this?

I am wondering if anyone else has noticed this, umm, anomaly and what they do to get around it?


I really think this would improve the Band-in-a-Box offering for us jazz types if these were standard rather than having to construct them.


Graham I am in 100% agreement with what you said.
I hope PGMusic rectifies this situation as soon as possible.

I wouldn't want to see a reduction of jazz brush styles as I use them a fair bit, but I would like to see a large addition to the number of jazz sticks Realdrum styles.

The thing that frustrates me the most with BIAB is the inability to match Real instrument styles to those on recordings.

It should be a piece of cake but it isn't.

I know the tempo of the piece.
I know the rhythm section I need to match up (bass and drums).
I know the style (swing, bebop, cool, latin, etc. etc.)
I know the substyle (a or b)

but it is a rare occurrence when I can find suitable styles that match up.

Since I mostly play in the jazz style, it is a problem there.
But it is also a problem in other styles that I use (pop, rock etc.) frown


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All of the Real Drum styles have at least 3 to 9 variations. Click on a style and to the right are all the variations.

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Hi Graham, on that note, check the jazz real drums by Lewis Nash. Each RD has about 9 variations each, granted that the majority of them are using brushes, but some of them have a pretty good "random" snare fills and nice ride. Here's a description of one of them as an example:

07-a:Busy Ride with Snare : Snare plays on the eighth note before beat 3. The kick plays a double on beat 1 and the ride plays an aggressive swing 8th note pattern.,
07-b:SSTmRd

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Playing a jazz swing pattern that includes variations only found at faster tempo. The A substyles are subdued and the B substyles are more agressive. here are 4 variations of A and B substyles which are comprised of the following Substyles.


i - Brushes with Snare Swirl

ii - Brushes with a Busy Snare and Swirl

iii - Ride and Hihat w/ ocassional snare

iv - Busy Ride with Busy Snare

v - HiHat and Snare

vi - SideStick, Tom and Ride

There might be more examples like this, I just made a quick research on this since I'm also interested in it. Check it out. I hope this helps.

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