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I thought our many songwriters and musicians would be interested in this article. Wouldn't it be nice if the people that created the products actually made a fair percentage of the money. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/busine...yalty-plan.htmlI've always been amazed at how hard it is for musicians and songwriters, who produce one of the most consumed products daily on the planet, have such a struggle making money off of their consumed products.
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IMO, semantics aside, Pandora is still "radio" and should be treated as such based on audience size and pay accordingly like every other station - broadcasting chain does.
Interesting article Joe. Thanks for posting.
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Hi, Joe !:))
It was a very interesting article indeed !:)) I have to say that I have an understanding for both sides in this neverending story !:)) There will always be a consuming as well as a producing part, and it is likely that there will be more opinions on this issue than there are composers out there ?
Cheers Dani
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There is more than just two differing groups here, the composers and consumers representing the two with the least clout.
3) Corporate Recording Company Weasels
Which extends right from the top on down to include the retail and discount record merchants.
Keep making and webpublishing INDY music...
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A previous coworker once explained to me how much of the business world is about controlling and supplying the inventory - you buy up all the resources or rights to an item, and prevent others from owning or buying it without paying you.
When vinyl records were the only game in town, consumers had no choice but to buy from the record companies that produced them, and artists could not afford to cut their own vinyl so they could reach a wide distribution venue.
Now, if you think about health care, are the insurance companies playing a much different role than the record companies did ? They control the entire supply chain, and make money by forcing themselves as the go-between between producers (doctors) and consumers (patients).
In fact - thought of in this way - every industry is quite similar.
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Wouldn't it be nice if the people that created the products actually made a fair percentage of the money. The only way to keep most of the money generated by the sale of whatever you create is to bypass as many of the middlemen as possible.
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I'm trying to square this with the constant media images of these impoverished Performers dripping in Bling, driving expensive cars and buying multi million £ or $ houses. Maybe I'm missing something obvious but that money has to have come from their music (if that's what its called) somehow. Ian
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Who you gonna believe, Ian, the assumptions of the people, or yer own lyin' eyes? --Mac Didn't the Eagles write something about that? Reading it again, it seems that its the Writers who get short changed by the system. Maybe to supliment their meagre incomes, they're the ones driving the Stars" limos. Question is - why do they sell their soul? Divide $538.79 by 33,000,000. Would you work for that? Ian
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All of journalism exists for the purpose of agenda.
A text, taken out of context, is a pretext.
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I'm trying to square this with the constant media images of these impoverished Performers dripping in Bling, driving expensive cars and buying multi million £ or $ houses. Maybe I'm missing something obvious but that money has to have come from their music (if that's what its called) somehow. Ian a few folks in my state hit the lottery every year...and they appear on the news, sometimes dripping in bling, driving expensive cars, etc. I don't buy lottery tickets because of that.
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The stats reveal that the greater majority of big lottery winners end up in worse shape than before their big win, many end up in jail, quite a few end up dead.
Which is kind of like the music star situation, actually...
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The big money in the music business isn't in the music. It's in the endorsements and merchandising.
Writers have traditionally gotten the dirty end of the stick from the beginning..... after all, most folks think that all you did was spend a few hours at most, writing a few words, and putting a melody to it.... how hard can that be, and should it justify hundreds of thousands of dollars or more in compensation?
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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What most folks think doesn't have a thing to do with how royalty payments work.
There are plenty of examples of millionaires and even multimillionaires who derive their entire fortunes from only their songwriting endeavors.
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What most folks think doesn't have a thing to do with how royalty payments work.
There are plenty of examples of millionaires and even multimillionaires who derive their entire fortunes from only their songwriting endeavors.
--Mac My 2 favorites are Burt Bacharach, and that guy who wrote the songs for "The Partridge Family" - I stil listen to them.
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There's a guy who has been writing useless songs which name-drop famous people in the titles and he publishes the CDs to CDBaby, which gets it into iTunes as well as Spotify. Because of the song titles mentioning the famous folks, he gets lots of plays on Spotify. Supposedly last year he pulled in $23,000 in play royalties from Spotify. Just wondering when the hammer will drop on him from some of the p.o.'ed famous people from which he is gaining financial gain from simply using their name. http://bdcwire.com/danvers-dude-makes-23k-musically-spamming-on-spotify/
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