You need to be logged in to post
Options
Index
#241247 - 02/24/14 05:25 PM [User Showcase] Electric Crock
Registered: 12/20/13
Posts: 669
Loc: United Kingdom
Riccled Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 12/20/13
Posts: 669
Loc: United Kingdom
Howdy all.
Here is my latest BB creation,a lively folk/rock piece written about 25 minutes ago!

Hope you like it I used real tracks for all the parts,and I do think they sound superb.

https://soundcloud.com/riccledy/electric-crock

Cya.

Top
#241267 - 02/24/14 07:51 PM [User Showcase] Re: Electric Crock [Re: Riccled]
Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 15248
Loc: Hamlin NY
MarioD Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 15248
Loc: Hamlin NY
This has a lot of potential. That fiddle part was perfect but I wasn’t sold on the piano part. I thought that it was too far out front and not necessarily the sound or style that I would use. But please remember that this is just my opinion and yours and others may differ. I would also change that ending, maybe a fad out would be better, don’t know.

I think this is a diamond that just needs a little polishing.
_________________________
I'm the best man at my buddy's second wedding. Is it appropriate to open my dinner speech with "Welcome back Everyone"?

64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB and RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software and some hardware.

Top
#241418 - 02/25/14 07:12 PM [User Showcase] Re: Electric Crock [Re: MarioD]
Registered: 12/20/13
Posts: 669
Loc: United Kingdom
Riccled Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 12/20/13
Posts: 669
Loc: United Kingdom
Hi Mario.
Thanks for the opinions,yes that's the first time I have used a realtracks soloist for the solo sections,i'm glad you think it works well.

More stuff will follow in due course.
cya.

Top
#241421 - 02/25/14 08:24 PM [User Showcase] Re: Electric Crock [Re: Riccled]
Registered: 02/11/05
Posts: 2646
Loc: Kentucky
PgFantastic Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/11/05
Posts: 2646
Loc: Kentucky
The piano part could use some reverb to make it fit in with the tone of the other instruments, the guitars and the fiddle have the same tone but the piano because it is so dry stands out. Still a great piece of work either way. Thanks for sharing!
_________________________
My Tunes

Psalm 57:7 My heart, O God, is steadfast, my heart is steadfast; I will sing and make music.

Top
#241486 - 02/26/14 08:03 AM [User Showcase] Re: Electric Crock [Re: Riccled]
Registered: 12/13/13
Posts: 825
olemon Offline
Expert

Registered: 12/13/13
Posts: 825
It's got a neat groove, and I like the fiddle, but agree regarding the piano, too up front at times, and the ending is quick. Just needs a couple of tweaks and a little mixing. The story of my musical life:)

Top
#241487 - 02/26/14 08:15 AM [User Showcase] Re: Electric Crock [Re: Riccled]
Registered: 04/03/09
Posts: 7590
Guitarhacker Offline
Veteran

Registered: 04/03/09
Posts: 7590
I love real tracks and once I compose the song in BB I work almost exclusively with the Real Band real tracks along with live musicians tracking their instruments. The real tracks are totally amazing in many respects and I love how they sound.

I liked parts of your song creation pretty well and others not so much. Let me explain.

I like the progression at the very beginning of the song, but without the piano lead. I'd go back and replace that piano part with a piano soloist real track player. It will have more compatibility than the part that's there now. Use envelopes to bring the parts in and out as needed.

OK, the fiddle part starts off absolutely fine and where the fiddle comes in is superb. I love the sound of the RT fiddles. BUT, at 48 thru 56, the song jumps out of it's key and goes off into something that totally doesn't fit or work. Drop those 2 chords out. Just because you can put those chords in there and the soloists will follow them, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do so. There are ways to drop unusual chords into songs, I've done that, and others have done that as well. You need to try to find a way make it work better. Perhaps using one chord that is close kin to the key you're in to start with.

Same thing with the stops at 2:20. I was totally puzzled by them. What? Why? Stops are great tools to break or add tension to a song, but indiscriminate use does nothing. In an instrumental it's harder to use them because there is no vocalist to add that third dimension to the music that calls for a pause. Perhaps you should try a partial stop..... let everything stop except maybe drums and bass.... that give the music a pause but there is continuity maintained.

Note: In BB if you input the chord as C.bd , it will stop all the other instruments except the bass and drums. I'm working on a tune right now where I'm using that in the intro to keep it sparse.

OK I know that you are experimenting, and sometimes we gotta try something to see how it works. Kudo's on what you did....

Like MarioD, I do think you have some really sweet stuff in this tune. He used the phrase "diamond that needs polishing". I agree. All you have to do is refine it, fix a few things and waa laa, a tune that flows smoothly and doesn't grate the proverbial fingernails across the chalkboard of our listening experience....



None of this is meant to be "mean spirited, snarky" criticism. It's intended to be constructive and help you understand what we.... no....what I, hear in this tune.


Edited by Guitarhacker (02/26/14 08:19 AM)
_________________________
You can find my music at:
www.herbhartley.com

Add nothing that adds nothing to the music.


As the sword chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer.

Top
#241508 - 02/26/14 11:23 AM [User Showcase] Re: Electric Crock [Re: Guitarhacker]
Registered: 06/23/06
Posts: 1920
Loc: WEST MIDLANDS, UK
sixchannel Offline
Expert

Registered: 06/23/06
Posts: 1920
Loc: WEST MIDLANDS, UK
Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker
I love real tracks and once I compose the song in BB I work almost exclusively with the Real Band real tracks along with live musicians tracking their instruments. The real tracks are totally amazing in many respects and I love how they sound.

I liked parts of your song creation pretty well and others not so much. Let me explain.

I like the progression at the very beginning of the song, but without the piano lead. I'd go back and replace that piano part with a piano soloist real track player. It will have more compatibility than the part that's there now. Use envelopes to bring the parts in and out as needed.

OK, the fiddle part starts off absolutely fine and where the fiddle comes in is superb. I love the sound of the RT fiddles. BUT, at 48 thru 56, the song jumps out of it's key and goes off into something that totally doesn't fit or work. Drop those 2 chords out. Just because you can put those chords in there and the soloists will follow them, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do so. There are ways to drop unusual chords into songs, I've done that, and others have done that as well. You need to try to find a way make it work better. Perhaps using one chord that is close kin to the key you're in to start with.

Same thing with the stops at 2:20. I was totally puzzled by them. What? Why? Stops are great tools to break or add tension to a song, but indiscriminate use does nothing. In an instrumental it's harder to use them because there is no vocalist to add that third dimension to the music that calls for a pause. Perhaps you should try a partial stop..... let everything stop except maybe drums and bass.... that give the music a pause but there is continuity maintained.

Note: In BB if you input the chord as C.bd , it will stop all the other instruments except the bass and drums. I'm working on a tune right now where I'm using that in the intro to keep it sparse.

OK I know that you are experimenting, and sometimes we gotta try something to see how it works. Kudo's on what you did....

Like MarioD, I do think you have some really sweet stuff in this tune. He used the phrase "diamond that needs polishing". I agree. All you have to do is refine it, fix a few things and waa laa, a tune that flows smoothly and doesn't grate the proverbial fingernails across the chalkboard of our listening experience....



None of this is meant to be "mean spirited, snarky" criticism. It's intended to be constructive and help you understand what we.... no....what I, hear in this tune.


+1 on most of that. Saved me a lot of typing (lol) except that I quite liked the chord change at 0.48-0.56 and also the chord introduced around 3.18 - that sounded nice.
The three "stops" - Nope!!
cheers
ian
_________________________
Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was!
BB2021 PLUS, 827, Win7, Win10

ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp

SOUNDCLOUD UPDATED - tracks that were made entirely using BIAB -
http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel

Top
#241638 - 02/26/14 07:32 PM [User Showcase] Re: Electric Crock [Re: sixchannel]
Registered: 12/20/13
Posts: 669
Loc: United Kingdom
Riccled Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 12/20/13
Posts: 669
Loc: United Kingdom
Hi all.
Thanks for the opinions,yes I do have predilection for abrupt stops,as I think they provide a nice surprise and change to a ordinary section.
As to the placing of the voices I always prefer the melody and the solo to be very prominent in the mix,as the majority of the themes are included in those 2 sections.

I appreciate you taking the time to giving hints etc and I like the constructive criticism.

I'm pleased this track has garnered such interest and I shall try some different soloist ideas in future mixes.

Cya.

Top
#241671 - 02/27/14 12:21 AM [User Showcase] Re: Electric Crock [Re: Riccled]
Registered: 12/29/12
Posts: 5480
Loc: Originally Missouri ... Now Al...
Al-David Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/29/12
Posts: 5480
Loc: Originally Missouri ... Now Al...
Hi...

Loved the listen. Agree with a lot of what has been said. Not fond of the stops and the piano is a tad too much out front for our taste. That said, everything else about this is great! Good luck with it!

Al & Di
_________________________
BIAB 2018 Ultra Plus-all StylePaks*Win10*8GB DDR4*I5-6th Gen*AT 2035 Mic*Peavey Nashville 112 Amp*Ibanez ART120 Electric/Washburn D200S Acoustic*Stromberg Monterey Jazz Guitar

Loops: https://aldavidmusic.wixsite.com/bestmusicloops


Top


PG Music News
Band-in-a-Box® 2021 Spanish for Windows is Here!

En PG Music tenemos el placer de anunciar la disponibilidad de Band-in-a-Box 2021 en Español. Despues de arduo trabajo hemos agregado, entre otras cosas, 80 funciones nuevas y una gran colección de nuevas incorporaciones y contenido que incluyen 202 RealTracks, nuevos RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Estudios Instrumentales, Interpretaciones de Artistas, RealDrums 'Single' adicionales, transcripciones de RealDrums, MultiStyles PAK 1, Xtra Styles PAK 10 ¡y mucho mas!

Nuevas características | Todos los Paquetes

New Update Available for Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Windows!

Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2021 today!

We've applied some updates to a variety of Add-ons, improved transcriptions and simple tags, resolved playback issues with MIDI tracks, and more. Plus, this free update adds the latest DAW Plugin 3.46!

Learn more & download now.

Band-in-a-Box® 2021 Polish for Windows is Here!

Efektem naszej ciężkiej pracy w ostatnim czasie jest m.in. dodanie 80 nowych funkcji i wspaniałej kolekcji nowych dodatków i zawartości, które obejmują 202 RealTracks, nowe RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Studia Instrumentalne, Wykonania Artystów, dodatkowe RealDrums "Pojedyncze ", transkrypcje RealDrums, pakiet MultiStyles PAK 1, Pakiet Xtra Styles PAK 10 i wiele innych!

Nowych | Pakiety

Band-in-a-Box® 2021 Dutch for Windows is Here!

We zijn bezig geweest en hebben 80 nieuwe functies toegevoegd en een verbazingwekkende collectie van nieuwe inhoud, inclusief 202 RealTracks, nieuwe RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumentale Studies, Artiest Uitvoeringen, Bonus RealDrums "Singles", RealDrums transcripties, MultiStyles PAK 1, Xtra Stijlen PAK 10 en meer!

Nieuwe Functies | Pakketten

Band-in-a-Box® 2021 Danish for Windows is Here!

Vi har haft travlt, og har tilføjet 80 nye funktioner og en fantastisk samling af nyt indhold, bl.a. 202 RealTracks, nye RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, Artist Performances, bonus RealDrums "Singles," RealDrums transsriptioner, MultiStyles PAK 1, Xtra Styles PAK 10 og meget mere!

Hvan er Nyt | Pakker

Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Windows Update Available!

The latest Band-in-a-Box® 2021 update for Windows enhances the JukeBox, adds a "Set all tracks to this:" option to the MIDI import dialog, improves chord sheet view during playback, and more!

Learn more & download this free update.

Read the patch announcement.

Band-in-a-Box® 2021 Swedish for Windows is Here!

Vi har varit flitiga och lagt till över 80 nya funktioner och en fantastisk samling av nytt innehåll, innefattande 202 RealTracks, nya RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, Artist Performances, Bonus RealDrums "Singles," RealDrums transcriptions, MultiStyles PAK 1, Xtra Styles PAK 10, med mera!

Paket | Vad är nytt

Forum Stats
34262 Members
67 Forums
69140 Topics
593806 Posts

Max Online: 2537 @ 01/19/20 07:09 AM
Newest Members
Rhume123, GoGirlGuitar, jsscsnow01, dberanek, PianoByIsobel

34262 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
VideoTrack 200
Matt Finley 164
Noel96 121
Pipeline 119
Janice & Bud 112
Guitarhacker 106
Simon - PG Music 106
dcuny 103
Rustyspoon# 100
Jim Fogle 99
Today's Birthdays
boomerballads, Hogman, Marius1976