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Hi, I work as an Occupational Therapist - helping kids with special needs be more productive in school. One 'research based' intervention is as follows: http://www.interactivemetronome.com/It is a hardware switch the child taps, given an steady click beat through microphones (not sure of bpm) - and the software gives feedback regarding how close the child is coming to the click track. Now you can read about the theory on the site. There are many autistic, ADHD, and children with coordination difficulties that do not have an internal sense of steady time (you've seen some of the adults on the dancefloor lol ) The program is pretty expensive, but I'm guessing there are lower cost software tools to provide the same practice - a steady beat, a switch or electronic drum pad, and feedback on how close the child is to the beat. Has anyone heard of or seen such a program used effectively - or can recommend a cheaper solution for children to tap to a steady beat and receive feedback regarding their accuracy ? Thanks, Joe V
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I'm familiar with the principle. I had a combination of hardware and software almost twenty years ago called Amadeus that would follow your practicing like that and report, not only on rhythm but also pitch. Perhaps the name Amadeus will help you in your search to find something up-to-date.
Here's a different approach. I use a little free utility by Analog-X called Tap Tempo. It will average out what you tap on the computer's space bar to give you a tempo. If you know what the tempo was supposed to be, you could get a reading from Tap Tempo on how closely the child came to it.
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Tons of metronome apps for iOS, but not sure about any that measure accuracy as a primary function.
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That's a good suggestion Matt - I will include that term in my search - though if not beat by beat, the feedback may be too late for the child to actively improve his accuracy.
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That may actually work Mike - it's visual and measure by measure.
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That's a good suggestion Mac - I will include that term in my search - though if not beat by beat, the feedback may be too late for the child to actively improve his accuracy. But I didn't suggest anything in this thread. Here's what I'll say now: You'd get a lot farther by teaching the child to subdivide the beat. The good old, "One AND Two AND Three AND Four AND" - and, of course, making it into fun repetition. This is something that *everybody* has to learn about keeping time, regardless of mental facility. Without first teaching subdivision, I question the validity of any such testing in the first place. Either that or the guitar guy I hadda work with last week is autistic... (He's not, he is self taught and does not know what it is that he does not now. Try and teach him, and his mouth starts moving.) --Mac
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It’s funny you should mention subdivide the beat and One and Two and so on. I have a student who has special needs. He had a very tough time with One and Two. But when I said for quarter notes say tea, tea, tea, tea and for eight notes say coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee he got it.
Just another idea for you JoeV.
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It’s funny you should mention subdivide the beat and One and Two and so on. I have a student who has special needs. He had a very tough time with One and Two. But when I said for quarter notes say tea, tea, tea, tea and for eight notes say coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee he got it. Or you could do like the Geico piggy and say "boots and pants and". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BPbjC47GwM
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Absolutely, substituting words such as 'tea' and 'coffee' like MarioD says, often works with certain folks.
Along with just the Common Time, there are words for teaching the subdivision of Triplets, Quadruplets and even Five Notes over one beat ( "hippopotamus" ).
Good point, Mario!
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Tons of metronome apps for iOS, but not sure about any that measure accuracy as a primary function. ...a secondary function would be fine too : )
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Ok Mac - you temporarily got some credit that should have gone directly to Matt - but after all, if anyone deserves some extra credit, it's you : )
...but not at Mat's expense - so I corrected that error in the original post.
Also - I love the idea of 'tea and coffee' - never thought of it.
Lastly - I have often thought about a music program that would teach dividing the beat equally and somehow eventually generalize that to division, which many children have problems with. But as you probably know, many children can't 'generalize' and see the analogies when they are young, that become more accessible as they mature...and adults can't easily identify to their 'less mature' days. Also, to create detailed lessons plans where future teaching of 'academic' topics like multiplication and division tie back to initially taught music concepts, is not so easy...If it was, the smarter music teachers would have done this to try to help keep music in more curriculums in schools across our country.
If anyone is interested in pursuing this further, or has some more thought on the subject, let me know.
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Problem I've noticed with the attempts to turn music rhythms as mathematics always come to a dead end at the number 12.
And 5 thru 12 tend to constitute the "graduate work" there.
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Well - up to number 12 may be more than enough to teach the initial concepts, and way more fun...especially for the types of kids I work with (K through 5th)- very uninterested and unmotivated by academics, minimal vocabulary, neither negative consequences nor positive rewards really give them the endurance they need for academics. Besides the personal endurance and care for them to keep repeating the same things over and over the "traditional education" way, music and rhythm would be a great incentive.
And who knows - maybe the talented inventive people on our website here can help us get past 12 - maybe via multiple verses and choruses, with songs.
I can see it now "PG Music and Community reinvent music as a means of teaching mathematics, and U.S. Department of Education mandates all public schools to buy PG Music's Band in a Box software, and hire only 'PG authroized music/math' teachers to run the programs. lol - it a lot more likely than peace in the Middle East, wiping out the national debt, or finding a solution to the U.S. healthcare problem ; )
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If it was, the smarter music teachers would have done this to try to help keep music in more curriculums in schools across our country. My parents have spoken in front of Congress on this subject more than once. Music helps students learn much more than just math. I wish you success with this.
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There is data available.
For example, the inordinate number of highly successful people in fields other than music who cite a good solid Music Education and Performance program as part of their academic background speaks for itself.
"Eurythmics," Joe, search that term out as regards education.
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There is data available.
For example, the inordinate number of highly successful people in fields other than music who cite a good solid Music Education and Performance program as part of their academic background speaks for itself.
"Eurythmics," Joe, search that term out as regards education.
--Mac A very wise man once quoted the importance of the 'scientific process' - and the importance of others being able to reproduce an experiment or theory. And I'm sure the same wise man understands the difference between correlation and proof from repeatable randomized trials. And that same wise man...draws on nonquantitative, anecdotal evidence that may very well show correlation between people with high academic capability and people that are attracted to the study of music - but not that one causes the other. Just sayin'
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Googled "Eurythmics Education" - very interesting and relevant. I will be reading up on this as well as some of the other methods, and seeing if this starting point sparks some inspiration in me with regard to mapping to academics. Thanks Mac. And, with the usually piggybacking of ideas - has anyone tried the Eurythmics approach, Suzuki approach - or any others mentioned in this Wiki article ? - either for your own learning or for teaching other students ? What did you like about it and would you recommend it ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalcroze_Eurhythmics
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And that same wise man...draws on nonquantitative, anecdotal evidence that may very well show correlation between people with high academic capability and people that are attracted to the study of music - but not that one causes the other. Just sayin'
I think you had to mix up the denominators to come up with that, Joe. --Mac
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And that same wise man...draws on nonquantitative, anecdotal evidence that may very well show correlation between people with high academic capability and people that are attracted to the study of music - but not that one causes the other. Just sayin'
I think you had to mix up the denominators to come up with that, Joe. --Mac I like to be provacative : ) and I'm willing to mix the denominators if I have to. But I do have yet to see and strong, direct evidence between the position that music causes improved mathematics or other educational skills. Anecdotal, yes, correlations, yes, testimonials, yes - randomized trials - no. Maybe I haven't searched hard enough yet.
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