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I'm trying to get 2 pieces of equipment functioning; An Edirol UA4fx and a Ketron SD2. I installed the Edirol and played the test .wav file fine out via my Roland Cube. I then hooked up the SD2 and can only get the drums out. I tried using it with BIAB and Sibelius. I turned off the SD2 and tried a .wav file and still only got the drums. I changed the midi driver setup in both programs for the new equipment. Here are the cable positions.
Midi Cable: Edirol midi out, SD2 midi in.
RCA set: SD2 out, Edirol in.
2nd Rca set: Edirol out, Roland Cube in.
I think the setup must have something to do with adding the SD2, because the .wav file played fine before. I did make sure that all of the sound levers were up in the Sound Properties Audio window. Not sure where to look next and would appreciate any help. Thanks
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Start by looking at whatever the software mixer applet for the Edirol Soundcard is.
You need to set that mixer to playback both Line In (SD2 input) AND wave.
Might be a row of faders, most likely, if so, turn them both all the way up.
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Play just a midi file at the ketron with earphones plugged in. Not even in band in a box, just a plain midi file. It should sound fine.
Then try playing a windows media player file with just wma or mp3 or wav and it should be heard through the Roland Cube.
Now scratch your head and go...AH
Once it works outside band in a box start band in a box and run the midi setup.
Then you need to ensure your pat file for the Ketron is downloaded and activated.
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I guess I'll have to get that patch file for the Ketron. When I play something, the light on the Ketron blinks but there is no sound. There is an Edirol icon in Control Panel. I set the audio buffer size to max. It has a box checked for ASIO Direct Monitor. There is no way for me to play a midi file directly into the SD2.
I went back to BIAB, returned to factory settings and put the vsc/dxi coyoteforte back and played a biab song just fine via the Edirol. The Edirol has a 3 position "Rec Source" switch on the side with positions for Analog, Digital, and loop Back. Should the digital choice be used for midi?
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If you have midi out from your computer and into the ketron and plug in ear phones and setup up the Edirol in the Control panel you should hear the midi file and the blue light blinks off each time a note goes to it. Put the slider all the way up. Make sure your main sound board control sliders are all up. If you can't play a midi file through the ketron you have not got a working midi system, forget about band in a box until you get it solved.
If you can't hear anything try switching the midi cables (the round ones right) around, they can be confusing as to midi out and midi in.
You don't need a patch map for Band in a Box yet, it just lets you assign some of the instruments on higher banks that are not gm instruments.
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I guess I'll have to get that patch file for the Ketron.
Don't do that. That upgrade has nothing to do with your problem at all, which is no sound. Besides that, you bought your SD2 well past the date where the upgrade is likely needed, it very likely already has the newer stuff inside it.
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When I play something, the light on the Ketron blinks but there is no sound. There is an Edirol icon in Control Panel. I set the audio buffer size to max. It has a box checked for ASIO Direct Monitor.
First, start a file playing back so that the blue LED is blinking. Then check the Volume slider on the SD2,make sure that it is all the way up to the right. If you still don't hear anything, make sure that the file you are playing back indeed has MIDI parts (in BIAB you could load an all RealTracks song...). Listen to the SD2 using headphones plugged into its headphone jack as a temporary test, if you hear the music in the headphones, then the problem is between audio output at back of SD2 and the Line Input of the soundcard or the soundcard's software mixer.
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There is no way for me to play a midi file directly into the SD2.
Actually, the program is playing directly into the SD2. You can trust that blinking blue LED, if it is blinking, MIDI data is being sent and it is receiving it. You have an Audio problem here.
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I finally was able to get sound from the sd2 headphone jack to the roland cube using a double male 1/8th cable. So the midi sound is coming back through the sd2. It really is quite a difference in quality, too. However, I have a continual problem the opt. midi driver setup. It continually wants to default back to the roland vsc. I'm not sure what's going on with the audio though. When adding the audio cables to sd2 out and plugging into Edirol in, the sound isn't getting back out to the cube. I know the cables are okay because they work fine without the sd2 hooked up to the Edirol. So, I see two problems:
1) BIAB continually defaults the midi driver back to roland vsc from Edirol.
2) I can't get sound back from the sd2 through the Edirol into the laptop.
Even with all the audio cables hooked up, the 1/8th cable still works from the sd2 headphone jack to the cube. Also the audio ouputs work from the sd2 to the cube. Is it possible that the Edirol ua-4fx will not work for the application that I want?
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If that Edirol is a USB device, you can't connect it to the USB port after BIAB has been started.
Must hook up USB before starting any host program or it won't be there for the program to see. That may be why BB is reverting back to the VSC on you.
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yes, the Edirol is a usb device but I rebooted after plugging it in. However, I didn't have the Ketron turned on so I'll try again.
And it looks like I should have the Ketron powered up before booting. For the first time I got the popup window suggesting setting the latency to zero since the Edirol is not a soft synth.
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Once the audio out from the ketron needs to go to the audio in of your computer. I always use a mixer, either the cheap low end Behringer or the bigger Behringher power amp/mixer.
My setup is Edirol UM1 midi out to Ketron. Rca jacks to one line in the mixer. Stereo out from the computer to stereo in on the mixer.
Then I have a keyboard. This plays with the Thru function in band in a box. I use the midi in connection on the UM1 for this. When I press the keyboard the Ketron blinks, as it playes whatever patch I select in the Thru function. When all is said and done my Roland cube is setup with a mono cable on the headphone jack of the mixer, and the bass is turned way up and the treble and mid down, so I get a sort of bass bin along with the 2 other speakers which sounds way better IMHO.
In the end, with a small mixer, you have better control. Fifty bucks. And you can add a mic. Just send the sound back to the line input and control the volumes and mixes of the Ketron and the audio tracks before sending them to the system or amp.
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Oh, and you do not need to reboot. Normally. But you need to have Band in a Box closed if you plug in the midi thing. I never shut off the computer and never unplug the edirol midi device, so I only open and close Band in a Box. Or leave it running for a week or so.
Unless I'm going out to play and need to pack up that is.
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Morning John. Thanks for your post. I was going to buy just the cables but was told that I would be better off with the Edirol ua-4fx because I could run everything through it. It has 2 mic jacks, headphone jack L-R in and out jacks, Something called digital in & out (little plastic squares on the back?), midi in and out jacks and the usb. It has a 3 prong mic female jack on the side. Some switchs on the side for rec source, sample rate, and advanced driver on/off. There are 3 gain controls plust 4 advanced effect controls including a tube simulator and audio level leds. In other words there's lots of stuff on this little box and it cost $149 on Amazon. I think the cable interfaces would have been cheaper. If I'm reading you right, I now need to buy a mixer also? If so, how does the mixer get hooked up to the computer? Is it usb?
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Stan,
Give me a little while to work this out for you. I'll have diagrams later on this afternoon. Hang in there, we're going to get it right.
Gary
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Stan, This is going to be a HUGE picture, but it will show you exactly how to connect everything.  There are three images of the UA-4fx. Top, rear and side. Look at where the connections are going to them and from them. Look at how the SD2 is connected. Look at the output of the UA-4Fx and how it goes to the Cube. This is why I said you should have two of them, for a stereo image. In the meantime, at home, you could use a small stereo receiver and set of bookshelf speakers that has a Tape In, if you have one lying around. The DXG-500 is an optional connection, but it DOES fit in this set up, and you CAN play the SD2 sounds from it. Make sure the UA-4fx is the selected MIDI In and MIDI Out device in Band In A Box, Power Tracks, Real Band, and that it is the ONLY device selected. Also, make sure it's moved to the top of the list. Do NOT select any DXi or VSTi Make sure the UA-4fx is set as the Audio Input and Output in all three programs. This allows you to record and playback all audio, including any MIDI data that is sent to the SD2 and turned into AUDIO. Let me know if you have any more questions. Gary
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Wow!!! Those diagrams are outstanding!!! You must be psychic to know I'm a visual learner. Actually, I had already gotten all the cables hooked up right. I did have to make sure about the audio driver selections, in each pgm, though. Also, now I know how to hook up our keyboard which is the same as the one in your diagram.
I made sure everything was turned on and rebooted. The windows sounds came out through the cube from the edirol and .wav's play just fine also.
I loaded a midi file into biab. When I hit play the sd2 led light blinks, but no sound. Does ASIO have anything to do with this? I got a biab msg saying that AISO drivers are available but I didn't make the selection. Obviously the audio is getting from the laptop to the edirol and to the cube. This is probably a dumb question, but if the midi is being sent via usb, is there any problem with the audio out of the sd2 coming back through the same usb at the same time? I'm asking this because, the cables and interfaces ,being sold my PG Music, use 2 usb ports rather than one.
That was really nice of you to go to all that trouble to make that great diagram. Too bad the manuals are no where near as good. Maybe you need to write a book?
Bottom line is that the signal isn't making it from the Edirol to the laptop. The Edirol manual says not to hook up to a hub. I have a powered hub do you think that I should try it? Again, thanks for your help and patience.
Add-On: FWIW. When I load a midi file into Sibelius, I get no sound and a blinkingSD2 light when I select the Edirol as the driver. If I select another such as Roland vsc, I get sound, but not via the sd2.
stan
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No. ASIO has NOTHING to do with the information coming from the SD2.
No, AUDIO from the Ketron does not, can not, travel over the MIDI cable.
The reason Edirol says not to hook it up to a hub is that audio data can be demanding, so I would follow their recommendation in this case, but it's not the reason you're not getting audio back.
Okay, try this.
Cheap pair of headphones plugged into the SD2. Play back a midi file. The blue light blinks, you should hear the sound coming out of the headphone output on the SD2. That guarantees the volume slider is up and the SD2 is working.
I'll see if I can't get more information for you, but I get a feeling you're going to need to be rather detailed in the reading of the UA-4fx manual.
Stan, I can't download the manual for that without joining the Roland community, something I'm not interested in doing. I'm pretty sure that your issue is going to be a switch setting, or something in the mixer application that comes with the UA-4fx, so you can hear the output of the SD2 going to your Cube, but I'm not sure how to set it up. In this case, either I need to get the manual, or you're on your own.
Gary
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Okay, Gary, as I said, I can hear the sd2 output via it's headphone jack and I can also run the audio cables from it to the cube and hear it. I'll give the manual a shot. I appreciate your time spent already and I don't expect you to go to extra trouble to help. If I don't find the answer there, I'm sending the thing back and trying something else. I really appreciate what you've done. Many Thanks!
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Stan,
On the bottom of the unit, there are two switches. One is 'Input Monitor Switch.' Please make sure this is ON, since it will take any input, mic or line in, and send it the output, so you can hear it.
If you are going to use a Condenser mic that requires 48vdc Phantom power, the switch is right below that, and you'll ne4ed to turn it on, also. If not, leave it off.
Make sure the Guitar/Mic knob is turned all the way down, and the Input and Output knobs are turned half way up. You should see the Audio Indicators move (LEDs come on and off) when the SD2 is playing a MIDI file, or you're playing a wave file back from the computer, or both.
Let me know what else is happening.
I'll be out and away for a while for dinner with family.
Gary
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Gary, I have a roland cube. Don't know about if it's the same model but it's a keyboard amp with 2 standard 1/4 mono jack inputs, input 1 and input 2. Then 3 knobs for treble middle and bass, and reverb knob.
That's it.
Mines a Cube 60.
Of course if i ran a stero cable into it that won't work. Need a standard mono 1/4 jack, I run a stero cable out from my mixer, that goes to a y adapter with two 1/4 to rca plugs. That is I'm running out stero but really getting mono.
But my setup is different, that amp is really a keyboard amp and has some limitations. As per the instructions with the Behringer power amp I found it really kicks ass as a bass bin. So I have 2 other speakers on speaker poles, and the bass bin on the floor on an angle.
I did suggest the midi file played from windows to any headphones, that should put out sound, doesn't matter what the midi file is.
I am amazed at how many people do not understand midi vrs mp3, wave, ogg, whatever, I guess I take it for granted, though it took me years to figure out I don't need to record midi into band in a box, I'm a happy camper playing along with the Ketron sounds, mixed with the audio output from band in a box, and just jam. If the son is asleep, (Please move out yer 20 and working full time nights), I use headphones and don't use the horn. (I might get a silent brass setup though)
If he's not home the neighbours get a concert...
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Er Uh (with sound of squishing) as the egg is wiped off of my face. I must be dumb and dumber. I didn't have the input gain turned up. Now that is stupid is as stupid does (to coin a phrase). All works just fine now.
Alas, I have one last question: Is the vibrato sound as the notes are held just the peculiarities of the Ketron? I never play vibrato on my horn nor does my wife on her flute. I'll bet there's a way to fix in the mix, eh?
Thanks to all; The Ketron is awesome!
Stan
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