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Ok these programs are garbage. I tried to save a simple file from RealBand and it crashed my entire machine. Had to reboot and then RealBand tried to open itself again afterward. WTF?
$600 for this? Absolutely not. Have fun with it folks.
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Every time I open RealBand it wants me to re-configure my audio and midi. Sometimes it just cuts out audio altogether for no apparent reason. You call this a professional program? lol. I highly doubt it. Who scripted this shyte?
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Now BIAB has wiped out my installation of Amplitube 3. I sank $500 into that program and your program is making me reinstall it. It had better work after I do so or hell will come to pay. I have a hell of a lawyer.
You people really should test your products before selling them. Pathetic.
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Its a shame you are so disappointed in this brilliant piece of software. It is not necessarily intuitive. It is also piece of software that will take some amount of time to use. Would strongly recommend you listen to some of the music in the showcase forum.http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=50&page=1Listen to dozen or so pieces of some of the music created with the PG software. Good luck on your future efforts!
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Any piece of software that crashes by simply attempting to save a file the user has created is far from brilliant. It's junk. It doesn't need to be intuitive, just usable. Especially when you want $600 for it.
I don't care about those pieces of music. They more than likely were recorded with real musicians in a professional studio environment and/or venue. I'm not stupid. I'm a merchant myself. I don't pull those kinds of tactics but I am well aware they are used to sell products which couldn't possibly produce what a person is hearing. Not unless the person is professionally trained as a sound engineer. And even then...maybe.
I've spent the last 30+ years recording and producing music. I know what it takes and how it's done. I was looking for an application that could possibly cut down the workload when it comes to laying out rhythm tracks. I thought that app might be BIAB, but so far all I've seen is a program that is extremely incompatible on a PC. Errors everywhere and crashes out of the blue. Not to mention destroying already installed software that it shouldn't even mess with.
I will spread the word about these products being unstable. People have a right to know before they shell out their hard earned dollars. It's called ethics. It's an old-fashioned term those over the age of 40 were brought up with and try to live their lives by. Google it.
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Strato, You said ... I don't care about those pieces of music. They more than likely were recorded with real musicians in a professional studio environment and/or venue. I'm not stupid. I'm a merchant myself. I don't pull those kinds of tactics but I am well aware they are used to sell products which couldn't possibly produce what a person is hearing. Not unless the person is professionally trained as a sound engineer. And even then...maybe. You couldn't be more wrong. What you hear on the PG Music demos is exactly what you get. The same is true of the large majority of songs in the Users Showcase forum. All any person needs to do is to type in a chord progression in Band In A Box, select a style that suits the mood of the music and hit "Play". Ten or so seconds later, a fully generated song backing is playing. Moreover, the backing (if using Realtracks) is created by some of the most highly acclaimed musicians around. PG Music is one of the most ethical companies I have ever dealt with. I was looking for an application that could possibly cut down the workload when it comes to laying out rhythm tracks. I thought that app might be BIAB Band In A Box will do exactly what you're after (if I'm understanding what you mean by 'rhythm tracks'). I've been using the program since version 2006. It's brilliant. The fact that it didn't work for you, and that you can't save files, makes me suspect that your antivirus software is stopping it from functioning properly on your system. Norton Antivirus, for example, has a tendency to treat some new software installations as hostile threats until told otherwise. It's unfortunate that something on your system has prevented you from getting to experience just how amazing Band In A Box is. If you want to hear what Band In A Box is capable of doing, have a listen to some of my songs (there's a link in my signature). With the exception of two of them which have an added guitar, what you hear is Band In A Box backing some vocals. All the best, Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
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Now BIAB has wiped out my installation of Amplitube 3. I sank $500 into that program and your program is making me reinstall it. It had better work after I do so or hell will come to pay. I have a hell of a lawyer.
You people really should test your products before selling them. Pathetic. The fact BIAB is not working for Srato indicates he needs a computer tech to set up his system rather than a lawyer. Most lawyers can't fix their own computers so why would he want them working on his?
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Any piece of software that crashes by simply attempting to save a file the user has created is far from brilliant. It's junk. It doesn't need to be intuitive, just usable. Especially when you want $600 for it. Having used the program for a few years, I have experienced some crashes as well. In almost every case, it was “pilot error”, and not the program. I suspect that this is true in your case as well. There are thousands of people using these programs every day, and producing some very good music with them. I'd be willing to bet that you didn't install it properly, or as Noel said, there is a conflict with your AV software. PG's customer support is without peer, but a word of caution: lose the nasty tude when you speak to them. They are Canadians, and unaccustomed to rudeness.  I don't care about those pieces of music. They more than likely were recorded with real musicians in a professional studio environment and/or venue. I'm not stupid. I'm a merchant myself. I don't pull those kinds of tactics but I am well aware they are used to sell products which couldn't possibly produce what a person is hearing. Not unless the person is professionally trained as a sound engineer. And even then...maybe. The music on the User Forum is all created with BIAB, by actual users, not PG Music. I've spent the last 30+ years recording and producing music. I know what it takes and how it's done. I was looking for an application that could possibly cut down the workload when it comes to laying out rhythm tracks. I thought that app might be BIAB, but so far all I've seen is a program that is extremely incompatible on a PC. Errors everywhere and crashes out of the blue. Not to mention destroying already installed software that it shouldn't even mess with. You can lay down excellent rhythm tracks with real musicians (RealTracks) playing in a matter of minutes with BIAB. Plenty of folks do, and most of them aren't professional musicians or producers. I will spread the word about these products being unstable. People have a right to know before they shell out their hard earned dollars. It's called ethics. It's an old-fashioned term those over the age of 40 were brought up with and try to live their lives by. Google it. So, spreading the “word” by slandering a product you cannot install properly or operate is ethical?
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Most often as a consultant I had to fix errors that were immanent in a system outside of the computer on a desk, lap, or palm.
About 90 percent seemed to originate from illiterate causes.
If you did install the program as any other program in the windows program folder then you did something the program wasn't programmed for to be. Mistreating programs often results in behaviour for which a computer operating system is most obviously not designed. That reasons because computer programmers and their relevant comptrollers are systems outside of a computer.
I didn't understand your point about ethics since it seems in contain a circular reference that I cannot resolve.
Disclaimer: I should actually not have answered to your posts because you did neither ask for assisatnce nor a feedback. All you did is shed what you cannot do. So if this is unwanted feedback for you, you may as well ignore it.
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Strado, good to see you on the forum. For a guy who just joined yesterday, you seem to have a lot to contribute...we appreciate that. With seven posts already, we look forward to your continued contributions. Many here can help you with the issues you are raising. Many of us have had issues when we first installed BIAB/RB...and the learning curve is steep. A good place to start is to list the equipment and specs of your system.
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Thanks for the responses folks.
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Everything I try to load into RealBand or BIAB isn't available and spits out an error. That's a bit concerning at this point. What did I get for $129? A midi sampler? I create my own with C++. lol Strato It's a shame you've obviously so far missed the functionality and performance of this innovative and extremely capable software suite. You really owe it to yourself to give a bit more effort to try this out and resolve the issues you are witnessing. I think you are being unfairly dismissive. You probably know that too. Otherwise, if you can really write your own MIDI sampler in C++ for less than $129, well, go right ahead. Let me know when it's released... I'll be keen to get a copy.
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Many of us have had issues when we first installed BIAB/RB...and the learning curve is steep. A good place to start is to list the equipment and specs of your system. MountainSide Can I ever identify with that! When I first received my copy of 2014 Ultra (my first venture into the great PGMusic program) I had nothing but problems as well. But I must say that with two brothers, who also have BIAB and with the help of a great support team at PGMusic, I muddled my way through. I agree that the learning curve is very steep but with the help of a large volume of videos (both by PGMusic and by other users) I can say now that I am just getting a good taste of how very awesome this program, truly is. That said, it is not for the timid, it takes (speaking for my self, only) a lot of trial and error and pouring over these forum posts to get to a comfortable feeling about using this program to produce the backing tracks that I am looking for. Great forum members, (and there are many) who are not slow in replying to your question about what they think might be the problem(s), are without question, the most helpful that I have seen in the many forums that I belong to! Thanks for all your help forum members!! I know that I cannot help the OP, but wanted to post to share my story on the subject. i truly hope that the OP gives this program another chance, I know that he will be amazed, once he gets through the start up issues.
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I'm an user of BIAB since 2006 and I still have to experience a crash caused by a BIAB malfunction, across four different computer, at least eight versions of BIAB and four different WIndows versions.
I don't buy this guy can write code. For an expert he doesn't even mention a program that he currently uses. No workflow description? That's just not the attitude of an experienced music-maker and computer-savvy.
My take, he's just a troll passing by, and due to the fact that he couldn't get anybody to argue, he didn't stick around because nobody was feeding him. The people that frequent this board is far too polite and civil to engage in troll wars.
HTH,
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I'm an user of BIAB since 2006 and I still have to experience a crash caused by a BIAB malfunction, across four different computer, at least eight versions of BIAB and four different WIndows versions.
I don't buy this guy can write code. For an expert he doesn't even mention a program that he currently uses. No workflow description? That's just not the attitude of an experienced music-maker and computer-savvy.
My take, he's just a troll passing by, and due to the fact that he couldn't get anybody to argue, he didn't stick around because nobody was feeding him. The people that frequent this board is far too polite and civil to engage in troll wars.
HTH,
I agree 100%. I was going to ask him/her to list his computer specs and software but I then thought against it. If they have 10s of thousands of dollars invested and has many DAWs but can't figure out BiaB or RB, writes code but hasn't a clue to why things are supposedly crashing, then something is amiss! At least in my mind.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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The fact BIAB is not working for Srato indicates he needs a computer tech to set up his system rather than a lawyer. Most lawyers can't fix their own computers so why would he want them working on his? My computer was fine before I installed BIAB buddy. And I probably know a hell of a lot more about setting up a system than you do. I've been a programmer for 26 years. Are you even 26 years of age, let alone a programmer for that length of time? The PG products messed up my PC and there was nothing wrong with it before they were introduced. Those are the facts. If that hurts your feelings because you're so enamored with BIAB and RealBand then too bad. Life sucks sometimes. I've read reviews all over the internet that have mentioned these same issues with the PG products. Of course, the reviews were well hidden in Google search results, otherwise I would have found and read them before I was stupid enough to spend any money for this crap. I should have known better. End of discussion. Talk amongst yourselves if you like, but I'm out of here.
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Strato,
We understand your frustration and are eager to help but you need to meet us halfway. Tell us your system specs, hardware and operating system, where you're at in the install process, what installation choices you made, etc.
If it's installed, what happens when you open either program? What are you trying to do when the program crashes? What error or crash message do you get?
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My computer was fine before I installed BIAB buddy. And I probably know a hell of a lot more about setting up a system than you do. I've been a programmer for 26 years. Are you even 26 years of age, let alone a programmer for that length of time?
The PG products messed up my PC and there was nothing wrong with it before they were introduced. Those are the facts. If that hurts your feelings because you're so enamored with BIAB and RealBand then too bad. Life sucks sometimes.
I've read reviews all over the internet that have mentioned these same issues with the PG products. Of course, the reviews were well hidden in Google search results, otherwise I would have found and read them before I was stupid enough to spend any money for this crap. I should have known better.
End of discussion. Talk amongst yourselves if you like, but I'm out of here. That's too bad - I'm sure your computer is fine. I'm sure the problems you are having with the software could all be fixed. But that will require patience and a learning process you may not be willing to endure. I've gotten more than a little upset myself from time to time, but over the years I have figured out what does and doesn't work for me. For one thing I don't regard Real Band as a DAW, but rather as a tool to generate many different Real Tracks which I can export and then load into my DAW of choice for editing. The results I've gotten have been more than satisfying. If you really want to learn how to use these programs, slow down a little bit and give people a chance to help you. When you get frustrated, find a way to let off steam, but don't blast the very people who are trying to help you.
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Nothing to see here, moving along. No time for trolls.
The products this company produces are unparalleled for their intended purpose. Steep learning curve? Yes, indeed. Well worth the effort.
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You people really can't read, can you? You should have stayed in school. And I'm no GD troll Don R. I'm a VERY pissed off ex-customer of this horrific software.
This is NOT about a steep learning curve. It's about the fact that BIAB F***** up my computer and there was NOTHING wrong with it before I installed BIAB. Am I finally getting through?
I can navigate every major DAW on the market today. No matter how convoluted the interface might be - BIAB being one of the worst. I was doing fine with BIAB UNTIL it crashed my computer, gave me the blue screen of death and completely destroyed my $500 installation of Ampltiube.
You should really listen to what I'm saying instead of trying to convince me to stick around and keep going with BIAB. Trust me, I cannot be swayed by incessant sales pitches.
My PC was unusable with the PG software on it. After spending the last 24 hours reinstalling things and getting rid of all the leftover BIAB garbage things are finally starting to work again.
If you really need to know my specs, here they are:
AMD Athlon II X4 630 Processor 2.80GHz
1 TB HDD - 16GB of RAM (although RAM is irrelevant because Windows won't use it all in applications anyway)
M-Audio Delta 2496 Audiophile Sound Card - updated drivers, yada yada
Samson Resolv 40A Studio Monitors
No hardware inputs - strictly DI into the PCI card
Again, I'm done with this. I don't have the software anymore anyway so I shouldn't even be here. I was just pissed off because you people won't read my posts properly. So I guess I'm wasting my freaking time. I KNOW how to use BIAB, I owned it years ago. But the 2014 version messed up my PC BADLY.
Ciao
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You should really listen to what I'm saying instead of trying to convince me to stick around and keep going with BIAB. Trust me, I cannot be swayed by incessant sales pitches. Lemme try a different approach then...Please Leave!
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Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!
The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!
Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.
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If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
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The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!
There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.
If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.
We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!
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Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.
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