Right, those of you who grew up with all those Casio & Yamaha "auto accompaniment" type of keyboards will undoubtedly know what I'm talking about right away, but I'll try explain what I mean here: I'm thinking of something that works a bit like how the drums play a little differently just before the next part marker, but for the instruments. I've been going through some of my oldest work (recorded on cassettes!) which I played on one of those keyboards. I apparently used this feature for a varied range of decorative purposes, which I'm finding very difficult to emulate n BBox now, hence this suggestion. I'm actually a bit surprised this isn't a part of the initial .sty styles, since they were originally derived from one of those old Yamaha keyboards in the first place!
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+1 Seems like a reasonable request, although I thought some styles did this for more than drums already, though I must admit that haven't paid particular attention.
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They don't as far as I've noticed, and I have been looking out for it so I'm pretty confident. At least, if they do, it's on a far more subtle level than I remember getting way back when on my keyboard, where in the most extreme cases there'd even be a chord progression. Thanks for the +1, hope this gets some more
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Not what you asked for, but I often work around this by placing a hold on one or more instrumental tracks before a part marker. It seems to give me a tension that is appropriate.
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Not 'quite' the same, true, but an interesting tip on its own merits, that certainly has its uses
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+1. I'm sure there is a proper musical terminology name for the fubction. I,ve heard some people call it a bridge, some a transition but all meant the same thing, normally one bar of chords or notes to move up or down between chord progressions. There are several ways to create these movements but it would be nice to have some "built-in".
Icelander, what you are requesting for, I call it instruments fills, by analogy to Drum fills. For example, for the bass track, we can image a special rhythmic pattern ; for the piano or guitar tracks, we could get a special rhythm and/or specific velocity pattern ; for the strings track, we could imagine a busier part, ...
Icelander, what you are requesting for, I call it instruments fills, by analogy to Drum fills. For example, for the bass track, we can image a special rhythmic pattern ; for the piano or guitar tracks, we could get a special rhythm and/or specific velocity pattern ; for the strings track, we could imagine a busier part, ...
I think you're over thinking this a bit there, but stick with the drum fills analogy and you're on the right track. Busier is also a good word. If I think back on how my initial 'keyboards' concept was implemented, these 1-bar licks could actually vary quite a bit depending on the style and chord (minor or major being the most deciding factor). Some would have the rhythm instruments go into a bit of a phrase or a line of notes instead of rhythmic pattern (e.g. guitar), some would even simply be a shot or a hold, but we got those already. Usually the instruments would be joined in these licks as a whole, but that's probably not a good way to go here because we can swap out individual instruments within the styles. It's a bit tricky to verbally describe this idea to someone who hasn't actually heard one of those without audio case samples
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Icelander, what you are requesting for, I call it instruments fills, by analogy to Drum fills.
I stand humbly corrected to my initial response to this, for you are spot on with that - On any Arranger keyboards out there these days, the term is indeed called "fills"! So yes, that's precisely what I mean
... and since this yet another of my "very old" ones hasn't been considered by PG yet (and it did get favourable feedback from members), I thought I'd bump this one as well...
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Right, those of you who grew up with all those Casio & Yamaha "auto accompaniment" type of keyboards will undoubtedly know what I'm talking about right away, but I'll try explain what I mean here: I'm thinking of something that works a bit like how the drums play a little differently just before the next part marker, but for the instruments. I've been going through some of my oldest work (recorded on cassettes!) which I played on one of those keyboards. I apparently used this feature for a varied range of decorative purposes, which I'm finding very difficult to emulate n BBox now, hence this suggestion. I'm actually a bit surprised this isn't a part of the initial .sty styles, since they were originally derived from one of those old Yamaha keyboards in the first place!
There's good news and bad news. The good news, the PC version of BIAB has this transition feature that can automatically create transitions selectable from 0-16 measures in length and the transitions can be manually overwritten if desired.
The bad news is I don't think this feature is available in the Mac version.
Plus one for this to be included into the Mac version.
The good news, the PC version of BIAB has this transition feature====The bad news is I don't think this feature is available in the Mac version.
Oh man, I really wish you hadn't told me that! Sometimes there's bliss in not knowing
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<< Oh man, I really wish you hadn't told me that! Sometimes there's bliss in not knowing. >>
I couldn't find it in the 2021 Mac Manual. It could be included and I can't locate it. In the PC it's called the Melody Maker in the Song Form Tool. If you don't have it, I recommend it for the Mac Wishlist. Transitions is just one of its many powerful and useful features and it's really a hidden feature in the PC version.
Transitions is just one of its many powerful and useful features and it's really a hidden feature in the PC version.
See, now you're just rubbing salt to the wound!
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I need to research this. I don’t understand why a feature that would affect ‘fills’ for instruments other than drums would be found in Melody Maker. That’s the last place I would look.
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I need to research this. I don’t understand why a feature that would affect ‘fills’ for instruments other than drums would be found in Melody Maker. That’s the last place I would look.
I'm curious to what your research will turn up. I've been unable to find any PG Music or user documentation other than my own that makes any reference to this truly hidden feature. My experimentation has shown the Medley Maker to be at the top of the most unique suite of BIAB tools.
It allows BIAB to do tasks that can't be done in a single BIAB project because of the distinctive way it approaches SGU files. With a simple change of source, the program still reacts exactly as it's 'marketed' by PG Music to create medleys but produces a completely different single file result.
P.G.Music please go and listen to the Yamaha Genos and Korg Pa4X and try to get near to the intros, patterns, fills and endings. That is the standard that BIAB should be able to reach these days!
P.G.Music please go and listen to the Yamaha Genos and Korg Pa4X and try to get near to the intros, patterns, fills and endings.
This is exactly where my suggestion is coming from! Thanks for the support
p.s. Oh, and Pipe, that styles link is just brill, thanks!
Last edited by Icelander; 09/28/2112:10 AM. Reason: Afterthought
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