He means midi drum parts created by a live drummer on a midi drum kit. Mac talked about this years ago, many of the midi styles have "real" midi drums like that and he said there was something that told us that but I have no idea what it is now. For me I can usually tell by listening to the part. The drums have that live feel to them rather than sequenced. ... Bob
Oh - OK. Thanks. That's what is called Live Drums, I think.
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...There are no multracks, those RD's were recorded with 2 or 3 mic's as stereo files, that's it... Bob
Originally Posted By: jazzmammal
.... yes I saw that but if that's the case then why did Peter make the request in this thread? ... Who knows ... Bob
What do you want me to say ? what do you want me to do ? what do you want others to do and and say ? Can I work with what I do know or do I have to work with what you don't know ?
Can we just go back to how it was now, is that ok ? can users try and help by suggesting things or do you have to moderate that ?
Originally Posted By: jazzmammal
Yep, Ableton it is. I haven't used it myself but I've seen demo vids where they do this easily.... Bob
Originally Posted By: jazzmammal
Please stop posting blurbs and opinions from websites, somebody get some software, create an RD track, run it through and see what happens. I'd love to hear it too. Bob
Yeah, you're right but that Abelton comment was years ago.
I just wonder it Peter has access to all those original multitrack stems why does he need help from us about audio to midi conversion software? If you have an isolated track of a snare, floor tom, whatever even if there is some bleed through pretty much any midi software that can handle separate beats should be able to convert that to midi. Another mystery of the universe...
It's actually easy to find out how many, and which, RealDrums have drum notation.
From the 2019 online Band-in-a-Box user manual:
Quote:
Some RealDrums have drum notation. Currently, 21 RealDrums can show drum notation, and you can find them with the [#] filter button in the RealDrums Picker.
I have the 2019 Ultra PAK with all the bonus PAKs to date. Open the DrumPicker, Click on the "#" symbol at the top of the screen. Select, "RealDrums With Real Charts ...". Select, "Drum Notation with some variations". I'm getting a return of 38.
That's more than the 21 they began the year with but shows they have a long road to travel.
* RealDrums Style Name ^ Genre Genre (more) /4 Ev 8 Lo Hi x NA Artist #*
RockEven16 Rock Ev 16 045 120 x Craig Scott Ntn001
CountryEven8 Country Rock;Pop Ev 8 075 250 Shawn Soucy Ntn002
PopWaltz Pop 3 Sw 8 060 180 Craig Scott Ntn002
Nashville2Beat^ ^ Country Sw 16 080 140 x Brian Fullen Ntn006
NashvilleEven16^ ^ Country Pop;Rock Ev 16 060 120 x Brian Fullen Ntn006
NashvilleEven8^ ^ Country Pop;Rock Ev 8 080 180 Brian Fullen Ntn006
NashvilleOutlaw^ ^ Country Pop;Rock Ev 8 150 200 Brian Fullen Ntn006
Nashville128^ ^ Country Pop;Rock Sw 8 060 120 x Brian Fullen Ntn007
Nashville68^ ^ Country Pop;Rock 3 Ev 8 080 140 x Brian Fullen Ntn007
NashvilleShuffle^ ^ Country Pop;Rock Ev 8 090 160 x Brian Fullen Ntn007
PopWaltzEven8^ ^ Pop 3 Ev 8 080 150 x Craig Scott Ntn008
JazzTerryClarke^ ^ Jazz Sw 8 050 300 Terry Clarke Ntn018
BluesBBEven8^ ^ Blues Rock Ev 8 075 160 x PG Artist 4 Ntn021
NashCrossovrSw16^ ^ Country Rock;Pop Sw 16 065 130 x Brian Fullen Ntn021
NashClassicWaltzSw^ ^ Country Pop 3 Sw 8 055 180 Brian Fullen Ntn025
NashTrainEv16^ ^ Country Ev 16 070 170 Brian Fullen Ntn025
NashvilleBrushesBalladPushEv16 Country Pop Ev 16 055 115 x Brian Fullen Ntn025
NashBrushBalDbKEv16^ ^ Country Rock;Pop Ev 16 055 125 x Brian Fullen Ntn026
NashvilleBrushesClassicShuffle Country Sw 8 075 180 Brian Fullen Ntn026
NashPopBallad^ ^ Country Pop Ev 8 090 150 x Wayne Killius Ntn029
PopRockWaltzEv,SideStickHat,Ride Pop Rock 3 Ev 8 100 220 Wayne Killius Ntn107
PopRockWaltzEv,SnareHat,Ride Pop Rock 3 Ev 8 100 220 Wayne Killius Ntn107
PopRockWaltzModernEv,Hat,Ride Pop Rock 3 Ev 8 100 220 Wayne Killius Ntn107
PopRockWaltzMarch Pop Rock 3 Ev 8 150 220 Wayne Killius Ntn126
BluesRockShuffle^ ^ Blues Rock Sw 8 110 165 Shannon Forrest Ntn140
PopPromiseEv16^ ^ Pop Rock;Praise & Worship Ev 16 075 120 x Shannon Forrest Ntn151
BluesRockEv^ ^ Blues Rock Ev 8 110 160 x Shannon Forrest Ntn156
BluesRockSlowEv^ ^ Blues Rock Ev 8 055 105 x Shannon Forrest Ntn157
PopModernGrooveSync16^ ^ Pop Country Ev 16 075 120 x Shannon Forrest Ntn166
PopRockBasic^ ^ Pop Rock Ev 8 070 130 x Kenneth Blevins Ntn226
FunkHalfNotePulse Funk RockPop Ev 8 080 140 x Michael White Ntn240
FunkHalfNotePulseTambo Funk RockPop Ev 8 080 140 x Michael White Ntn240
FunkRock^ ^ Funk Rock Ev 8 085 130 x Pat Steward Ntn266
FunkSanFran Funk RockPop Ev 8 085 130 x Michael White Ntn266
AmericanaRoots16th^ ^ Roots Folk Ev 16 050 100 x Bryan Owings Ntn279
BluesPopBusySnare^ ^ Blues Rock Ev 8 080 130 x Bryan Owings Ntn280
BossaBrazilAlex^ ^ Jazz Latin Ev 8 075 190 Alex Acuna Ntn302
BossaBrazilBrushAlex^ ^ Jazz Latin Ev 8 075 190 Alex Acuna Ntn302
BossaBrazilBrushPercAlex^ ^ Jazz Latin Ev 8 075 190 Alex Acuna Ntn302
BossaBrazilPercAlex^ ^ Jazz Latin Ev 8 075 190 Alex Acuna Ntn302
FunkBusySnare^ ^ Funk Ev 8 080 110 x Robert "Sput" Searight Ntn800
FusionFastAlex^ ^ Fusion Jazz Ev 16 140 165 Alex Acuna Ntn800
PopCountry16ths^ ^ Country Pop;Rock Ev 16 075 120 x Shannon Forrest NtnVideoNA262
ModernPopBallad16ths^ ^ Country Pop Ev 16 060 100 x Shannon Forrest NtnVideoNA277
PopRock12-8^ ^ Rock Pop Ev 8 055 110 x Shannon Forrest NtnVideoNA277
PopRock16ths^ ^ Rock Ev 16 050 110 x Shannon Forrest NtnVideoNA277
PopRock8ths^ ^ Rock Pop Ev 8 070 165 Shannon Forrest NtnVideoNA277
PopRockShuffle Pop Rock Sw 8 100 160 x Shannon Forrest NtnVideoNA277
PopRockSw16^ ^ Pop Rock Sw 16 165 120 x Shannon Forrest NtnVideoNA277
PopShuffleSlow^ ^ Pop Rock Sw 8 075 110 x Shannon Forrest NtnVideoNA277
PopSyncSw16^ ^ Pop Rock Sw 16 060 120 x Shannon Forrest NtnVideoNA277
May not be a software solution but as you can see from this link, Sidechaining uses one track to trigger a reaction on another track. One specific technique is for an audio signal such as a drum kick to trigger a 60hz midi signal to play simultaneously and add punch to the audio kick drum. Some software sidechains also can stipulate specific frequencies to trigger from an audio track.
Just wondering if this could be applied to specific frequencies of a PGMusic RealDrum kit to trigger MIDI notes that match the hits of each individual piece of the kit. It will surely match some such as the kick, snare and hi-hat. That only leaves Toms, cymbals and cowbell.
May not be a software solution but as you can see from this link, Sidechaining uses one track to trigger a reaction on another track. One specific technique is for an audio signal such as a drum kick to trigger a 60hz midi signal to play simultaneously and add punch to the audio kick drum. Some software sidechains also can stipulate specific frequencies to trigger from an audio track.
Just wondering if this could be applied to specific frequencies of a PGMusic RealDrum kit to trigger MIDI notes that match the hits of each individual piece of the kit. It will surely match some such as the kick, snare and hi-hat. That only leaves Toms, cymbals and cowbell.
I think in order to get the drum parts separated there needs to be a clear separation of notes. For a piano, guitar or indeed most instruments there is clear separation of notes. However, this is not true of drums.
Even products such as Melodyne cannot separate various drums and therefore the percussion algorithm is used. Then one has to go in and put various parts in their correct places.
Even various drum replacement programs struggle to get it right. Often where two hits a simultaneous (say, kick and hi hat) a hit gets lost.
Looking at Ableton they seem to have it down fairly well so why others don’t is a good question.
My thoughts Tony
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