Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Originally Posted By: MarioD
Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker
Originally Posted By: BlueAttitude


What I could use is some sort of processor to handle piezo pickups, the POD has a setting for that but it is not very good, anyone have any thoughts on that?



It's called a condenser mic.

All kidding aside.... get a nice mic and preamp if you need one.... a tube pre can warm up the sound.... and use that in place of the piezo.


BINGO!

It doesn't have to be an expensive mic either. I picked this up for $19 USD: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/321836278320

It was a gamble that really paid off. Our acoustic guitars never sounded better. If you want to hear a sample I can send up a snippet of a live song with only two acoustic guitars and singers using only this mic and a little reverb.






$19?????!!!!!!! shocked


Gotta get me one of them thangs!

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 21,635
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 21,635
There's a reason they invented the pickup, but yeah, if you can use a mic in the situation it may be the way to go.
Cheap Mics:
Sometimes its a matter of finding what a mic is good for. I have a cheap audio-technica mic (about $30 long ago) that is the best ride cymbal mic I've found .. stinks for vocals, but is an excellent ride.
Then again I've seen a few that would be better suited for pounding nails.

When recording, don't just set up a mic, set up a few and compare. You may be amazed in any given situation. Joe's acoustic may sound better with mic A while John's is better with mic B.
I'm actually really glad I typed this because now I realize I've 'pigeon-holed' that mic as a drum kit mic and I really should include it more often to see what else it may be good for.


Make your sound your own!
.. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,114
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,114
Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker
Originally Posted By: BlueAttitude


What I could use is some sort of processor to handle piezo pickups, the POD has a setting for that but it is not very good, anyone have any thoughts on that?



It's called a condenser mic.



Well, despite what you might have heard from my ex wife, I'm not stupid :p I am aware of condenser mics and own a couple.

Sorry, I should have explained better. This is the guitar I'm wanting to record: http://www.sound-house.nl/contents/media/a6%20natural%20sg.jpg

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,814
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,814
Ok if I were you I would record with one of your mics until you can afford an audio interface. Looking at that guitar's specs it looks like it has good electronics so running a good pickup through a cheap interface will not produce good results. Been there-done that!


Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.

64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
R
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
R
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
Micing this guitar is going to be challenging because it doesn't have a typical acoustic guitar sound because of the lack of a thicker body and no sound hole. You will get lots of string sound, but not much 'body' sound.

It sounds like you are not happy with the acoustic sound from the A6 pickup system. I would first start saving for an acoustic guitar that sounds more like an acoustic. Godin's acoustic guitar brands are generally great values and since it's a Canadian company, might save you some loonies, instead of trying to find the magic solution to 'un-piezo-fying' the output of the inbuilt pickups.

Try the Craig Anderton EQ tip above, but if what you are really shooting for is a more natural acoustic tone, it's going to be less expensive getting a more proper acoustic guitar, than it is to find some kind of signal processing to get a natural tone out of the pickups.

As pointed out by Mario, you can get a very inexpensive large diaphragm condenser mic to go along with the guitar later on.

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,326
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,326
Originally Posted By: rharv
There's a reason they invented the pickup, but yeah, if you can use a mic in the situation it may be the way to go.


I believe the reason piezo pickups were invented and became so popular was a 2 fold reason.

1. They are very small and can often be incorporated into the guitar and are not visible. One of my acoustic guitars has a piezo pickup under the bridge. If you didn't see the volume/tone knobs or the jack, which is in the strap peg, you would not know it was an electric model. They were certainly more convenient than those Lawrence models that clipped into the sound hole and had e 10' cord to deal with across the front of the guitar.

2. They are not microphones and therefore don't pick up sound the way a normal mic does. Being much less sensitive to sound, they can be used on stage in very loud environments such as one experiences in a rock show. There's no way you could use a condenser on a rock stage. As long as the acoustic guitar's body doesn't become resonate with the strings due to sheer stage volume, the piezo tends to not provide a feedback loop as easily as other kinds of pickups.


You can find my music at:
www.herbhartley.com
Add nothing that adds nothing to the music.
You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.

The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
My Alvarez AD90SCK has both piezo and an internal condenser mic, and I can blend them together or use just one or the other. Any acoustic can be used on a Rock stage, as long as you use a Lutehole cover (http://lutehole.com/) and keep your distance from floor monitors.


Of course, if you're using IEMs, you can even ditch the Lutehole cover. grin




Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To
Page 2 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!

Add updated printing options, enhanced tracks settings, smoother use of MGU and SGU (BB files) within PowerTracks, and more with the latest PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 update!

Learn more about this free update for PowerTracks Pro Audio & download it at www.pgmusic.com/support_windows_pt.htm#2024_5

The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!

The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!

Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.

This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245

The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option

Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!

Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!

For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.

Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.

Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!

Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.

Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.

Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!

Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!

With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!

Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!

If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.

A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."

"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."

"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."

Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!

The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!

There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.

If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.

We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!

Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.

Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed!

Forum Statistics
Forums66
Topics81,623
Posts735,190
Members38,520
Most Online2,537
Jan 19th, 2020
Newest Members
DanyLevy, Arnav Singh, vasilich, maxrob61, TonyInManchester
38,519 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
MarioD 185
DC Ron 100
dcuny 87
DrDan 75
Today's Birthdays
Bernard Rasson, John Temmerman
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5