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While flipping through the channels last night... (New Years Eve) .... there were new year count down shows on a variety of channels from the mainstream guys... ABC, CBS, NBC, plus a number of public broadcast and cable channels had things going on.
I was also monitoring the comments from the FaceBook feed....
Some of the acts I saw, and read about were horrible. One channel had Jefferson Airplane, another had Kris Kristofferson, another had Bonnie Raitt (for the record, Bonnie wasn't bad... but some of the others on the stage..... oh my!) and an odd assortment of players, and I saw something about one of the Diva singers.... Marriah somebody...... "like nails on a chalkboard" was the comment.
I can only speak for the ones I saw, but these folks need to retire and let us remember them best by the really great music they put on records and tapes for us decades ago. Why get on stage now and embarrass yourselves and leave us with the memory of how totally unprofessional and amateurish you sound?
I get it, old rockers never die, and you might need the money and want one more shot at that big stage...... but seriously, it's time to retire.
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I spent the night watching this guy tear up the stage... Great Show! I had never even heard of this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7KJR9tjJRM
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I read that Mariah's lip sync setup failed leaving her unable to finish a hit song. She apparently ended the concert at that point and exited the stage. What a load.
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If you want to spend a couple of hours seeing the old "rockers" turn out go to YouTube and look for the "rock n roll hall of fame inductions". Most where terrible with this one not talking to that one, etc. The only act I saw that was on point was Bruce Springsteen and the e street band. Possibly because they are still touring and Bruce pushes like anything.
I guess it is different situation than what you are describing because the induction performances are invited and often the artists don't even want to perform.
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"I get it, old rockers never die, and you might need the money and want one more shot at that big stage...... but seriously, it's time to retire."
Most musicians don't have 401K's. You gotta do what you gotta do. Orbison toured till he dropped.
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Hey if these old rockers can get the gigs who can blame them? All kind of people gripe here about not being able to get gigs locally.
It was clear with Mariah Carey that her in ear monitors were non functional. When she is supposed to lip sync and there's no track to listen to, what could she do? This was a failure of the production crew. She is pro enough I would guess that if she had anything to sing to she would have done that.
Did anyone catch the Colts game national anthem today? I didnt get to see it because CBS was broadcasting a different game here in CO. That was my sister. She was insanely nervous because of the echo laden environment. To see what it's like to sing in a terribly echo-y environment, try searching out the voice jammer website.
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I'm old and not of the lip syncing culture. I detested lip syncing back when Dave Clark featured it on all his shows. My remarks were meant to address the notion of lip syncing per se not the malfunction. If you're not gonna sing why not just have a vid on a giant screen? What's the difference other than "omg that's like actually her." 
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I'm old and not of the lip syncing culture. I detested lip syncing back when Dave Clark featured it on all his shows. My remarks were meant to address the notion of lip syncing per se not the malfunction. If you're not gonna sing why not just have a vid on a giant screen? What's the difference other than "omg that's like actually her." Same here you get paid to sing, S I N G! Happy New Year,
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Wow. Just watched Mariah Carey. Doing her 2017 thing. How embarrassing is that!
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The performance was in Times Square. Anyone ever been there, and if so, how long ago? It's an intersection of what amounts to canyons of perfect reflections. I doubt that anyone could just perform in that space at the levels demanded by the party. If you haven't ever performed in a space where the echos are about as loud as your own voice, with the right kind of delay, it will mess with your ability to even speak. Give it a try here: https://www.clicktorelease.com/code/speech-jammer/Look, I never liked Mariah Carey - not a fan here, but this particular environment, at the levels likely demanded by the party, almost presents no other option but to use in-ear monitors only. Whether lip syncing or not. Pull out the monitors to 'just sing' and you have the delay weirdness that makes it even difficult to speak. Put in the monitors to either sing or lip sync, and if there's no track there, you can't do either one. The monitors intentionally attenuate like really well-fitting earplugs. If that setup isn't done well, you are effectively hosed in that specific environment. In a more absorptive, non parallel wall canyon kind of environment, you can typically deal with a non-functioning monitor system - you'll see performers yank out an in-ear or both very often when the expected mix in the cans isn't right and sometimes they can recover. But that acoustic environment makes the speech jammer kind of sound. Seriously, anyone who is completely confident of their ability to deal with loud echo - go to that site and just try to talk like a normal person. make sure to have someone record you do it, because you will sound like a drunk or on weed.
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It's interesting to listen to some of the Beatles newly released concert tapes. They were looking at each other to just try and carry the rhythm as they could hear nothing but crowd roar. I see no monitors in the photos...but their vocals are amazingly on pitch and the harmony is tight. I saw them in 1964 and I cannot imagine a worse environment to perform in but I do confess to never having been to Times Square. FWIW! Bud
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yes, the recent Hollywood Bowl release is pretty amazing. There's a great podcast with Giles Martin talking about the recent technology that allowed them to clean up these recordings.
That's an entirely different noise situation than the echo situation, however. No discredit to the Beatles. They had hardly any firepower from an amp perspective to generate the significant echos that happen with today's PA systems in an acoustic environment like Times Square.
The echo can wreak havoc on your brain's ability to regulate speech, let alone singing. Please go give that speech jammer website a try to see what I mean. You won't believe how difficult it is to speak coherently with the echo coming back into your ears.
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BTW, here's my sister Heather Bays singing the National Anthem at the Indianapolis Colts game today, in a very echo-laden environment. I'll ask how she dealt with the echo. It looks like she's got a wedge in front of her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwKkX02er1Y
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I have been to Times Square last year. Incredible place indeed. What is emabarressing for Mariah is that it is all over YouTube.
Surely as a professional you know the risks of doing a performance like this and if something going wrong it being plastered all over YouTube. The Beatles probably had technical issues in some shows but we don't see it because you don't have 20000 people recording it on their iPhones and uploading to YouTube. She surely must have assessed all the risks before hand.
I once saw a video of Courtney Love where she had hacked off her sound engineer in some way and he played her untuned vocal to the crowd but her tuned vocal back in her monitors. It was quite funny actually.
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I once saw a video of Courtney Love where she had hacked off her sound engineer in some way and he played her untuned vocal to the crowd but her tuned vocal back in her monitors. It was quite funny actually.
I'd love to see that video.... can you provide a link? (I've searched without finding it...)
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Here is that video: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1810539_Courtney_Love_didn_t_pay_her_sound_engineer__So_he_did_this_.htmlLesson to be learned is always pay your sound engineer. Not only is her vocals not pitch corrected her guitar is also out of tune. Those were the predominant loudest sounds the crowd heard. It's weird as they didn't even know or care!
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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It never ceases to amuse me to hear folks on this forum dissing an artist for using technology (in this case lip synching) yet we are all here because we use prerecorded backing tracks in our performances and recordings!
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I guess lip synching now qualifies as a "LIVE" performance, on top of that a "technology"... OK then... LOL
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I guess lip synching now qualifies as a "LIVE" performance, on top of that a "technology"... OK then... LOL
Yeah, if using backing tracks to simulate a complete band when just one guy is standing up there qualifies as a live performance. I think what it comes down to is...does the intended audience care? If they are enjoying the performance and do not care then, lip synching or backing tracks, are all just fine!
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