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#393107 - 01/29/17 04:29 PM [Beginners Forum] Removing drum fills at part marker changes??
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I have right-clicked the bar maker and unchecked the option "Allow drum fill for bar before this part marker" BUT STILL I'm getting drum fills at the part marker changes from substyle A to B, and from substyle B back to A.

So I edited the style (both A and B substyles) to make the fills a copy of the regular part of the style, and set the pattern weight to 9. This made the "fill" sound just like the main substyle, BUT there's still an added cymbal crash at the transition from substyle B back to A, no matter what I do.

So I'm still getting fills at style changes even though I've specifically disabled them at the transition bars (and those around it too!)

What am I doing wrong? Please help!

BIAB for Windows version 2016 (438)

Thanks!

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#393113 - 01/29/17 04:39 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes [Re: six_rabbits]
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Just ruling out normal stuff first:

Did you regenerate the song?
Is the drum track frozen? If so, unfreeze it.
Do you have the most recent update of BIAB?
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#393116 - 01/29/17 04:44 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes [Re: Matt Finley]
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Thanks for the suggestions. I just checked... yes I have the latest version.
Nothing is frozen, and have regenerated the song (a lot!).


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#393141 - 01/29/17 06:42 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes [Re: six_rabbits]
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OK, thanks. I haven't used this function since it was first introduced, and it worked for me in testing, but there have been many changes to the program since (and I'm using 2017).

Still, can we try to replicate this? I assume we're talking about RealDrums, not MIDI. Can you tell us which RealDrum? Even better, post your song. One way some of us do this is open a free Dropbox account, upload the song to the public area, and post the link here.
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#393150 - 01/29/17 07:54 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes?? [Re: six_rabbits]
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Simple


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#393151 - 01/29/17 08:09 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes?? [Re: six_rabbits]
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Your 'simple' is an excellent workaround if it is for the whole song, but I am also still interested in the original problem. That should be working.
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#393226 - 01/30/17 06:35 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes [Re: six_rabbits]
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Can anyone please verify that this feature has worked for them?

Thanks!

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#393227 - 01/30/17 06:44 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes [Re: six_rabbits]
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I'm using MIDI drums, not RealDrums. Is that a requirement? I don't know if I have a RealDrums choice that will suit the tempo, but I'll look.

Thanks!

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#393287 - 01/30/17 12:01 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes [Re: six_rabbits]
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Update:

Switching to RealDrums does not fix the problem. Unchecking "Allow drum fills for bars before this part marker" does not eliminate drum fills, whether I use RealDrums or MIDI drums.

If I wanted to remove all drum fills for the entire song, then Pipeline's suggestion (above) works.

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#393290 - 01/30/17 12:16 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes [Re: six_rabbits]
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Try one more thing please. Do a Return to Factory Settings and test again. You will first have an opportunity to save any custom settings you have made.
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#393291 - 01/30/17 12:22 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes [Re: six_rabbits]
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I've uploaded a song to Dropbox that demonstrate the problem. Here is the link to the song and its style:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tt0zlh49w5f04zr/AACCeZpf0--IqSf5HeVt1KYna?dl=0

I've unchecked the 'Allow fills...' at and around the bar markers, but it makes no difference. I get fills anyway.

Thanks for the help!

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#393295 - 01/30/17 12:29 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes [Re: six_rabbits]
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Returning to Factory Settings didn't change the behavior. Good thing to try though.

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#393537 - 01/31/17 12:20 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes?? [Re: six_rabbits]
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Originally Posted By: six_rabbits
I have right-clicked the bar maker and unchecked the option "Allow drum fill for bar before this part marker" BUT STILL I'm getting drum fills at the part marker changes from substyle A to B, and from substyle B back to A.


This feature don't work for MIDI Drums !
I have written a post in the wishlist a long time ago with no effect up to now.
That is a real shame because it is a very handy, useful and musical feature and we can't get it !

I'm glad to see that new BIAB users have legitimate questions about so useful features. MIDI is still used by many users and we need to get new features for MIDI.


Edited by John-Luke (01/31/17 12:21 PM)
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#393538 - 01/31/17 12:24 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes?? [Re: John-Luke]
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If you want delete the crash cymbal after part marker change, you have to edit the postfill pattern and NOT the fill pattern.
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#393557 - 01/31/17 01:52 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes?? [Re: six_rabbits]
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If you have to use midi drums,
-open the piano roll
-select D
-select the note on the keyboard, this will select all opening hi-hat post fill notes in red
-now hit delete

you can also copy/paste/delete others manually then freeze.


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#393651 - 02/01/17 04:25 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes [Re: six_rabbits]
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My conclusion is that this is another bug in the program... it may have worked in previous builds but is broken in this latest version 2016-438.

How good is the support from the factory? Are bug fixes for past-year's versions released?

I'm just wondering, what should I expect?

Thanks!

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#393730 - 02/01/17 11:37 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes [Re: six_rabbits]
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Six-Rabbits -

Unfortunately, once a new version of BIAB comes out (now 2017), you will not see any additional updates to previous years' versions.
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#393766 - 02/01/17 02:37 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes [Re: six_rabbits]
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Thanks John,

That's disappointing, but not surprising. I suspect all the resources go to the latest version of the program. They have to fix the old bugs and write in some new ones! Job security!
(Just kidding... even with its faults BIAB pretty much rocks, once you climb the really steep learning curve.)

Thanks again,

Brian

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#394678 - 02/06/17 11:59 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Removing drum fills at part marker changes [Re: six_rabbits]
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Originally Posted By: six_rabbits
My conclusion is that this is another bug in the program... it may have worked in previous builds but is broken in this latest version 2016-438.

No, it is NOT a bug.
The feature we are talking about was NOT implemented for the MIDI Drums.

It is on the wishlist forum for more than 2 years.
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