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What is the substitute chord for Badd11 in BIAB?

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Not sure what you mean by 'substitute chord'

BAdd 11 might be played as B, D# F# A C# E, with E being the 11th

Normally with an 11th the 7th is played also, meaning the A

I think in BiaB the 11ths are all only available as #11th.

Does a Bsus give you what you want?


(Not sure if this helps or complicates for you though, sorry if it does)




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First of all, as I understand it (so I could be wrong), Badd11 is not the same as B11.

B11 would be B - D# - F# - A - C# - E,

because the 11 implies that the dominant 7th and the 9th are present (although you probably won't play all the notes, at least not on the same instrument).

Badd11 is really a Bsus4 (or just Bsus), except the 11 implies that the E (which is the 4th or 11th) would be played an octave up from the 4th. So it would be B - D# - F# - E (up an octave). Much easier, I suspect, on a guitar than a piano.

I don't believe BIAB, however, supports the difference. I don't recall Xadd11 as a supported chord, and so a RealTrack will play it like a sus chord. You may have to add the 11th manually as a MIDI note to get that octave jump.

I would just try to use Bsus and see if that gives you the sound you want, and if not, then just enter a B chord and add the extra note using a MIDI track.


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BIAB treats B11 as B9sus4 (written B9sus). You have the option of which way it is displayed in Display Settings. And, as you've already discovered, Badd11 is not a supported chord type.

Along with what John and VideoTrack said, just try the chord types in BIAB that are supported, and see if you find the right sound. To find all supported chord types, right-click in a cell and select Chord Builder. Then click on the box with 'sus4' in it to reveal all supported types.

If you can spell the chord tones you want, that will help us.


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Thanks VideoTrack, Matt and John. Currently, I'm using B4 but it doesn't sound exactly what I want to hear. I'll try Bsus.

I hope someday BIAB will support the add11 chords.

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Could you spell the chord you want?


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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Could you spell the chord you want?


What I exactly want is Badd11/D# and it is spelled out as x-D#-F#-A#-A#-E

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Originally Posted By: Froi
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Could you spell the chord you want?


What I exactly want is Badd11/D# and it is spelled out as x-D#-F#-A#-A#-E

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This looks like a guitar notation with the bass string muted, then a D#, etc. But A#? Is that a typo? Badd11 would be x-D#-F#-B-B-E. The only way to get exactly that chord inversion is with MIDI.


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Could you spell the chord you want?


What I exactly want is Badd11/D# and it is spelled out as x-D#-F#-A#-A#-E

Thanks.


This looks like a guitar notation with the bass string muted, then a D#, etc. But A#? Is that a typo? Badd11 would be x-D#-F#-B-B-E. The only way to get exactly that chord inversion is with MIDI.


Oh, yes, it's a typo! You're right. I mean x-D#-F#-B-B-E.

For now I used Bsus/D# and it sounds closely to what I want. Probably because the guitar realtracks do not strum all the strings as I do.

Thanks!

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Could you spell the chord you want?


What I exactly want is Badd11/D# and it is spelled out as x-D#-F#-A#-A#-E

Thanks.


This looks like a guitar notation with the bass string muted, then a D#, etc. But A#? Is that a typo? Badd11 would be x-D#-F#-B-B-E. The only way to get exactly that chord inversion is with MIDI.


Oh, yes, it's a typo! You're right. I mean x-D#-F#-B-B-E.

For now I used Bsus/D# and it sounds closely to what I want. Probably because the guitar realtracks do not strum all the strings as I do.

Thanks!


Most jazz guitarists do not strum all strings. A lot of times I am playing only 3 or 4 note chords myself.


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Oh, I see. I didn't know that. Though, I love listening to instrumental jazz.

In my case, when I don't play with a band, I find ways to play as much strings as I can, with open chords, to create a rich sound.

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