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UserTrack: Guitar, Electric, Rhythm Jazz EleFred 3-tempo Set. After seeing forum user Pipeline's excellent job at making a jazz guitar sound source for sforzando (see here ), I was inspired to go through with a long wanted jazz guitar Usertrack dream, which played in a "Freddie" kind of way - and after playing around a bit with this fantastic sound source, now I have, yayh!  From the Memo: " UserTrack: Guitar, Electric, Rhythm Jazz EleFred Sw 190
A mellow sounding jazz guitar playing steady, swung 8th chords throughout, with the accent on 1 & 3.
Tempo range: 050-250 bpm.*" *These are in fact THREE sets of Usetracks in one package, each recorded at a different tempo (60, 125 & 190) which provides this wide range. Get the whole lot HERE! Now for some demos, as usual: EleFred Jazz Ballad - HERE EleFred Jazz Medium - HERE EleFred Jazz Fast - HERE And finally, just to showcase possibilities, a slow 12-8 Pop demo* - HERE * This demo doesn't "take off the top" in the tone of the instrument like I've done for the jazzy demos, giving you a slightly brighter sound fit for pop. Thanks again to Pipeline for the inspiration - ENJOY 
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All sets have now been updated, new demos too - but all links are unchanged!
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I have tried multiple times to download these and extract the files. They seem to download correctly but the names of the files end in zip.001 (002-003-004-005-006) instead of zip. My computer can't recognize these files. If I changed the names so they end as (Style_Name)001.zip, they still don't extract and my computer says they are invalid files.
Are these files for Mac users only? I am on Windows 10.
Thanks, It would be great to test them out.
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These are segmented zip files, i.e. one zip file that has been split into even sized segments (for uploading purposes) and any regular WinZip application ought to recognise this format and decode without problems. They are, in other words, not platform specific.
So I'm not sure what could be preventing this on your system, but then again I don't know what tools you've tried to use to decode the set. In short, I need more information from you in order to be of any help.
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I am just extracting the files using Windows 10 default extraction. How would I combine the 6 files into one zip? or how would I know I have to do that?
I will try winzip and see if it works. Thanks
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I just tried again this time I downloaded all the files at the same time which gave me a zip file, but when I unzipped it both in Windows extraction app and also with WinZip (it is a pay ware program!) I got the same 6 files that are not style files but listed as:
EleFred JazzGtr.zip.001
EleFred JazzGtr.zip.002
EleFred JazzGtr.zip.003
EleFred JazzGtr.zip.004
EleFred JazzGtr.zip.005
EleFred JazzGtr.zip.006
None of which can be extracted because both WinZip and Windows 10 doesn't recognize that file format.
What have I done wrong?
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How would I combine the 6 files into one zip? Usually the program you'd use does that combining automatically "on the fly", so it's just a matter of having the right one for the job... which leads me to... or how would I know I have to do that? That's just something that comes with experience, I suppose... or, as you did, by asking I will try winzip and see if it works. Thanks You're welcome, hope you enjoy the result once you got it all sorted & set up.
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I just tried again this time I downloaded all the files at the same time which gave me a zip file, but when I unzipped it both in Windows extraction app and also with WinZip (it is a pay ware program!) I got the same 6 files===None of which can be extracted because both WinZip and Windows 10 doesn't recognize that file format.
What have I done wrong?
I must still say I've never heard of WinZip not being able to correctly handle segmented zip files before  Granted, I'm not a PC user myself (hence unaware of that WinZip is payware), so there could be a number of factors beyond my knowledge that causes this not to work. One possibility is that your downloads were incomplete, for even if just one segment is not there in full, you won't get them to work no matter what. So that's a place to start looking. Also, have you tried running WinZip and opening the first segment from within the program?! If not, then that'll be your next step to try. There are plenty of true freeware unzipping programs around if you just look for them! PeaZip is one, which I found in just seconds before doing this reply, that you might want to try. It's got good reviews and is supposedly able to deal with files like this.
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They are complete downloads (at least the file sizes match). Now that I installed WinZip it has taken over being my unzip program by default. When I uninstalled it my computer no longer uses the default zip/unzip of Windows 10 and I don't know how to revert it back.
There are 6 zip files 5 are 100MB each and the 6th one is 3.9 MB (the same numbers that show on your drop box page for downloading.
I will check out some of the other zip/unzip programs.
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Very good, those file sizes are correct, so at least we now know that much. Sometimes the process of elimination is your best bet to track down an issue, you know.
Give that "open first segment from within the program" a whirl next if you hadn't already, and only then consider other tools for the job. I have this thread monitored, so do keep posting your progress on here, if not but for the benefit of others in the same position.
p.s. I didn't think it needed saying, but just in case - All the segments must of course be at the same location when you attempt to extract them.
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"Give that "open first segment from within the program" a whirl next"
I have no idea what you are talking about here. I see no option that reads anything like that.
So far, I have been very unsuccessful at extracting your user style. :-(
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The file "EleFred Jazz Gtr (which is what I get when I download the 6 files on your box site) is a WinZip file. When I Unzip it I get:
EleFred JazzGtr.zip.001 102,400 KB
EleFred JazzGtr.zip.002 102,400 KB
EleFred JazzGtr.zip.003 102,400 KB
EleFred JazzGtr.zip.004 102,400 KB
EleFred JazzGtr.zip.005 102,400 KB
EleFred JazzGtr.zip.006 3,914 KB
None of these files can be extracted as their extension does not end with .zip
I see no place in WinZip where the option, "open first segment from within the program" is offered.
This is confusing to say the least. Unless, this is something that happens easily on a MAC and not on the PC.
I would really like to try these out but I am frustrated. I just hope this conversation we have had will help someone else or someone else will come up with a solution.
I am not new to computers or trouble shooting them. I have built 3 computers from components and even wired my own first one back in the 1980's. I have taught Adult Education Computer literacy courses and believe I am a bit better than most beginners anyway. :-)
Again, I do appreciate your patience and thank you for being so helpful.
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I see no place in WinZip where the option, "open first segment from within the program" is offered. That is because that quote was me referencing my own earlier advice, i.e. to to start up your zip program and from within that program locate the first segment. I'm obviously not doing a very good job of explaining with just words what I meant, and since I'm on a different platform, I cannot give you any visual aid like a screenshot to illustrate what I'm thinking of. Nor can I actually see what you have already tried, which just adds to why this is all getting so convoluted. But still, here's yet another try, with apologies in advance if the following is sounding too simplistic - but rather that than the opposite, right: 1. Open your zip program. 2. In that zip program there must be a command or menu item that lets you locate a file for extraction (either as "Extract", "Unzip" or "Open"), almost certainly under the 'File' menu of your zip program. 3. Use this method to select the .001 file! 4. Upon doing this, you then should either have the option to extract/unzip the segments (provided they're all in the same place). Do these instructions make sense now? For that was really all I meant 
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Yes, your instructions make sense. The problems is when I do as suggested and start to unzip EleFredGtr.zip.001 my program stops and either says it does not recognize the file or it gives me EleFredGtr.zip.001 copied over to where I unzipped the file.
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That is a very strange behaviour indeed. Right, since for some reason all the PC people around here seem to be missing this whole discussion (which is another "very strange behaviour" right there), I think it's time you take this issue to the ""S.O.S." forum. They are bound to see you over at that place at least. I'm actually quite baffled over how long this has gone without any of them chiming in already
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p.s. Now I just worry that even after you've got this all sorted, then what you're actually going to get in terms of usable product isn't going to seem worth all this hassle 
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All I can say is thank you for all your help and I really always enjoy a challenge and right now this is a good sized challenge to solve.
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I'll try to give it a whirl when I get home. I have licensed WinZip, WinRAR, and I have 7-zip installed. I'll download the files, try all and report back.
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Finally! It's about time one of you showed up!! 
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Some how, I got the zip files to extract into a folder called "Guitar, Electric, Rhythm Jazz EleFred Sw 125".
I moved that folder to my BiaB folder and into a folder I call User Style. I guess that is not the right thing to do as I can't find the style in Style Picker. Once the file is extracted from the split zips where and how to I place it in the BB folder? And, YES I did re-Build my styles list when I started BiaB.
Don't know how I actually extracted the files to the style folder but I did it with 7-Zip and selected all the 6 zip files and set it to extract inside (what ever that means). Very confusing...
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First of all a big HURRAYH for the breakthrough!  Now for the followup: Forget that new folder you created, just drop the EleFred folder whole into the Usertracks folder that already resides within your RealTracks folder, and presto - your new set is ready for use, no further steps required  To then load any of these custom made tracks into your BBox project, use the Select a Usetrack for this track" item from the menu of your chosen track (Piano/Guitar/Strings). Any further questions just holler!
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Thanks a million!
I got the Guitar track to be a User Track and I was able to have your user track work!
I take it the only track there is a Guitar track. There is no piano, bass, or string track available from your file. I am new to using any user tracks. That is why I was checking your tracks out to get an idea of what can be done by a user. The guitar track works quite nicely.
Again, thanks for all your patience. It is appreciated.
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I take it the only track there is a Guitar track. There is no piano, bass, or string track available from your file. Most often there's just one instrument per UT, unless you have a set of them in a bundle. I suppose this one technically is a "set in a bundle", but each one is a separate tempo rather than separate instruments. Most of these actually come in just one instrument and one tempo at that, it is just a matter of choice of the creator. Glad you got it all to work in the end, enjoy! p.s. Please note that Usertracks do not have any automatic "swap based on tempo" like the stock RT's do, so you must manually pick the best fit for each case as possible. p.s.p.s. Oh, and Usertracks do not have any built-in Db (loudness) adjustments like the stock RT's, so mind the volume setting for any Usertrack you try. In shoirt: Best to turn the volume well down before first play and bring it up gradually during playback to suit taste.
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Again, Thanks and I appreciate the extra information. I'll try to use your guitar in one of my pieces. :-)
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Oh, that'd be just brilliant, that's why I make them! ... wouldn't mind hearing the result, should you follow through with that
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So here's what I found.
I downloaded all six files (*.zip.001 through *.zip.006).
For 7-zip to work properly, you need to select the .001 file and unzip it. That will extract everything from all six archives. If you select one of the other files, it will let you unzip, but you will get errors.
For WinRAR to work properly, again, select the .001 file and unzip it. That's the only file that WinRAR recognizes as unzippable. It will unzip all the files, just like 7-zip.
WinZip does not recognize this as a valid unzippable archive. In fact, the file naming format is not what WinZip uses for its multipart files. WinZip will create a base name with a Zip extension, and then create the parts as .z01, .z02, etc. But for testing purposes, I took the unzipped files and created a WinZip multipart (split) archive and it created the zip plus five .z0x files (where x is a one-up number). Like Eddie, I selected a 100MB split point, and it also created six files.
So for anyone wanting to use this UserTrack, your best bet is probably 7-zip, since it's free; however, WinRAR works just fine also.
And the files worked perfectly as UserTracks. I copied them over to my UserTracks folder and selected them in an arrangement. For my quick test, they sounded fine; however, the one thing I did notice is that they seem be louder than the other RealTracks guitars (at least in the style I was working with). I had to reduce the volume significantly compared to the RealTracks volume settings. But otherwise, sounded great.
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So here's what I found.
===I did notice is that they seem be louder than the other RealTracks guitars (at least in the style I was working with). I had to reduce the volume significantly compared to the RealTracks volume settings. But otherwise, sounded great.
That's what my latest note in this thread is cautioning about. Thanks for the checkup, although coincidentally the matter had only just been resolved when you returned...it goes like that in life sometimes, you know
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Hey, Eddie -
Just for completeness. What did you use to compress the multi-part files in the first place? I was actually surprised that WinZip didn't recognize them as multipart, when WinRAR and 7-zip did.
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Hey, Eddie - What did you use to compress the multi-part files in the first place? A mac program called BetterZip...which is the main reason I just presumed that WinZip would then be the best PC counterpart for the decoding. I was actually surprised that WinZip didn't recognize them as multipart, when WinRAR and 7-zip did. So was I, I absolutely was not expecting that! So I have to thank you especially for enlightening us on that .z01 format it uses, which I confess I hadn't heard of (or had forgotten). A very valuable contribution to this whole subject right there
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All I can say is thank you for all your help and I really always enjoy a challenge and right now this is a good sized challenge to solve.
I had the very same problem whereby double clicking that zip file would just go into a loop getting windows-zipped files . Double clicking that zip file will only use a window type of unzipper. You have to Hold your mouse key down on that zip file and also hold the Apple Control key down. Then from the drop down menu select " Open with " where it will provide you with a selection or choice of Mac OS Apple/Mac unzippers. Hope my instructions R understandable and solve the problem for you. However, my question is where do i locate those files ?
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However, my question is where do i locate those files ?
If by that you mean where to put them, that's already been answered in one of my replies right here, but: You put the whole folder into the Usertracks folder, which is inside your Realtracks folder. p.s. Thanks for chipping in with the Mac aspect of the extraction process.
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Yes, I tried in two free programs that I downloaded for Windows 10 from Microsoft and no luck; 'Archiver for Windows' and 'Unpacker'. The bits downloaded so fast, that it might be easier just to download it as one file.
I'll try 7-zip
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The bits downloaded so fast, that it might be easier just to download it as one file. I hadn't thought of that, maybe simply grabbing the whole folder in one go is the safer way to go, good point. It also seems that 7-Zip is the best tool for the job on the Win front, yes. And as usual, let me know if you get further problems or have other questions about this set
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