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Anyone want to do a Master in Music degree one year course at Berklee, Get your music degree Fees are reasonable too just over $33,000  Musiclover
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Wow! 33k for an online degree, I guess in South Africa we think education is so expensive but is nowhere in this range. I hope it is good
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Berklee may not be well known around the world but it truly is right up there among the top 5 schools anywhere. Some of the most legendary players we all know and love are Berklee grads. Here's a list of Grammy winners: https://www.berklee.edu/awards/alumni-grammy-winnersI will point out on occasion that performers who people think just made it by being self taught in their parents basements are actually highly educated almost genius level players. This isn't publicized much so the average person thinks for example that Branford Marsalis picked up what he knows by playing Dixiland in bars in New Orleans. Riiight. You want to make it in the music biz? This is what you need. Bob
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Well I did the music production course a few times, a number of years ago on Coursera, that was taught by Loudon Stearns from Berklee.
Brilliant course and was free at the time, even though I did it a few times, have forgotten a lot of the stuff.
I need to do a brush up on the videos that I saved form then.
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Well I did the music production course a few times, a number of years ago on Coursera, that was taught by Loudon Stearns from Berklee.
Brilliant course and was free at the time, even though I did it a few times, have forgotten a lot of the stuff.
I need to do a brush up on the videos that I saved form then.
musiclover The courses are still available for free. You just have to take some extra steps to AUDIT the course instead of signing up for a specialization certificate. The career specialization certificate has proven to be profitable for both Berklee and Coursera. +++ HERE +++ is a link to all the courses Berklee presently offers through Coursera. Again, all of these courses are available for free when you AUDIT the course. Also, +++ TAKE A LOOK +++ at the free training videos Berklee offers on YouTube.
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Classic shovel seller! From what I've read, their graduates can learn excellent music skills but they finish with enormous debt, a trade school degree and no significant opportunities in good paying careers in music!
I've taken several of the free Coursera Berklee courses and was totally unimpressed! You learn more at Groove3 for $29!
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Classic shovel seller! From what I've read, their graduates can learn excellent music skills but they finish with enormous debt, a trade school degree and no significant opportunities in good paying careers in music!
I've taken several of the free Coursera Berklee courses and was totally unimpressed! You learn more at Groove3 for $29! Did you try the Music production stuff by Loudon Sterns J3? Probably pretty basic stuff for some users here maybe including yourself, but I thought it was pretty good. Groove3 is good as well, they ran a free 3 day trial for a long time, Thanks Music Student (Dan) for making us aware of that promo, unfortunately finished now. Musiclover
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JohnJohnJohn, I'm very sorry you were not impressed with the free Berklee courses offered on Coursera. I'm very interested in knowing what, or which, course(s) you subscribed to and why the course(s) did not meet your expectations. I admit I've had excellent experience with the courses I audited and continue to use the videos, pdf files and transcripts as reference sources. I also agree that Groove3 puts out some fine tutorial videos. I own the +++ Band-in-a-Box for Windows +++ and the +++ Band-in-a-Box for Mac +++ as well as video tutorials for +++ Music Creator 6 +++ . In fact all videos are 1/2 price and All Access for a years is $99. They are worth every penny.
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Classic shovel seller! From what I've read, their graduates can learn excellent music skills but they finish with enormous debt, a trade school degree and no significant opportunities in good paying careers in music!
I've taken several of the free Coursera Berklee courses and was totally unimpressed! You learn more at Groove3 for $29! Did you try the Music production stuff by Loudon Sterns J3? Probably pretty basic stuff for some users here maybe including yourself, but I thought it was pretty good. Groove3 is good as well, they ran a free 3 day trial for a long time, Thanks Music Student (Dan) for making us aware of that promo, unfortunately finished now. Musiclover I took the Coursera Pat Pattison songwriting class and it seemed like it was patched together from other classes. Plus I really did not enjoy Pattison's teaching style at all. I found myself watching his videos at 2x speed just to get through them! I love Groove3. I have purchased a bunch of theirs including the BIAB course and one on mixing and several on Native Instruments tools. They always feel really complete and I learn useful stuff.
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JohnJohnJohn, I'm very sorry you were not impressed with the free Berklee courses offered on Coursera. I'm very interested in knowing what, or which, course(s) you subscribed to and why the course(s) did not meet your expectations. I admit I've had excellent experience with the courses I audited and continue to use the videos, pdf files and transcripts as reference sources. I also agree that Groove3 puts out some fine tutorial videos. I own the +++ Band-in-a-Box for Windows +++ and the +++ Band-in-a-Box for Mac +++ as well as video tutorials for +++ Music Creator 6 +++ . In fact all videos are 1/2 price and All Access for a years is $99. They are worth every penny. The one I really didn't like was the Pat Pattison Coursera on songwriting. But I agree the Groove3 courses are really good!
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You want to make it in the music biz? This is what you need.
Bob Hi bob I have to respectfully say that I do not believe this is true. I am sure there are many many people who have not done this who have made it in the music biz. (And many who have taken it that have wondered what to do with it once they have finished). It is like saying everything that has a trunk is an elephant. I don’t think it is necessary to spend 33k to “make it”. Talent, grind, guts is probably more accurate (with talent being the last on the list).
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Joanne, why do people including you in this case not simply "read into" what someone is saying without the author having to qualify Every. Single. Thing?
OF COURSE not everyone who makes it in music is a graduate of Berklee. Jeesh. They could be from UCLA School of Musuc, or Columbia of any one of the very good European schools. My point was way more famous players, songwriters, performers, behind the scenes producers are highly educated graduates of these schools than most of us are aware of. If you even want a chance in the biz it helps to have this education. Are there exceptions, of course. It's not just the education itself, it's also the contacts you make while you're there.
One of my favorite examples is a famous and very wealthy heavy metal/grunge guitarist for a group I can't remember the name of now. He looks like a refugee from a homeless shelter but was raised by a mother who's a concert pianist, he grew up playing her Steinway in their living room starting at about 5 years old and she put him through one of these schools. That came out in an interview I read with him in Rolling Stone a few years ago. I think it's the majority of well known performers with this background, not the minority. Look at our favorite company right here PG Music as in Peter Gannon. People in the know around here refer to him as Dr Gannon so he's got some background too.
AND JJJ OF COURSE the number of real jobs in the music biz is small even for these grads. Everybody knows that. It's equally tough to find jobs for grads in lots of other fields too. It's always been hard. It usually boils down to who you know and how good your networking skills are. Nothing new there either. Making it in the world is a grind no matter who you are and what your education is. Generally though, the more education you have the better. It's only the ignorant who don't understand this.
Anyway all I'm saying is if someone is inclined to pick a music school to focus all that time and money on Berklee is a great choice.
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Not sure what I can add, but let me give you my perspective. First, as the resident "music-student"  here in the forum, it may not surprise any that I have an on-line certificate for Jazz performance from Berklee. I was an early adopter of the Berklee on-line program circa 2000. At the time the program content was better than any other options I had for studying in a systematic professional academic structured course from experts. My Berklee study was supplemented by one-on-one lessons with Local guitar teachers. The Berklee class material for guitar performance was excellent and I thoroughly enjoyed the entire experience. However, it was not cheap nor should it have been. You need to "invest" in the things you love. That was then and this is now. Over the past 15 years we have all seen the amount of web based training for music performance skyrocket. This is the information age and it is all on the web. I have in the past years "invested" in web-based guitar instruction that provides content and structure as good as my Berklee classes at a fraction of the cost. No certificates or degrees that you can put on a resume, but priceless value. And in terms of networking, no - not as good as rubbing shoulders with the pro's and soon to be pro's in a classroom, but you would be surprised at who I have had "communications" with. There is one other aspect that is likely unique to an individual who will shell out a small fortune for a Berklee degree. From my experience with young musicians, the ones who take it to that level do so because "that is the only thing they can do". Don't get me wrong here, I don't say that as a negative. What I mean is that music is so in their souls that they will pursue this career no matter what. Finally, is academics important, from my life experience, hell yes. Without my education I would not have had the life I did. However, when I encouraged my children to take a similar Ivy league route, my boys were having nothing to do with it and went into the trades and life is good. But that was then and this is now.... MusicStudent aka, Dr. Dan
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Berklee may not be well known around the world but it truly is right up there among the top 5 schools anywhere.
You want to make it in the music biz? This is what you need. Maybe you meant "top 5 music trade/vocational schools"? I just did a quick look at the top 1000 universities and Berklee did not make that list! AND JJJ OF COURSE the number of real jobs in the music biz is small even for these grads. Everybody knows that. It's equally tough to find jobs for grads in lots of other fields too. It's always been hard. It usually boils down to who you know and how good your networking skills are. Nothing new there either. Making it in the world is a grind no matter who you are and what your education is. Generally though, the more education you have the better. It's only the ignorant who don't understand this. My problem with Berklee is twofold, 1) they charge a fortune for even an online degree (where you get very little of the supposed networking benefits) and 2) they churn out far more graduates than there are careers in music by implying a much greater chance of success than most graduates can ever realize. And yes, I get that there are other areas where an expensive degree can result in low-paying or no job in your field. Things like Art History, Journalism or Psychology come to mind! But the reason I call Berklee a shovel seller is because they are playing to the passion and deep desire of students to succeed in a career in music when in fact they know that the majority will never make it. And it is not that they won't make it because of a lack of talent or a good solid music education; they won't make it because there are not nearly as many jobs as there are Berklee grads! I have no doubt that anyone who goes to Berklee can obtain a great knowledge of music. And I believe that knowledge, and possible networking if you do the in-person courses, can most definitely put you in a better place when it comes to possible careers in music. But if there are only 5 jobs and you move from #1000 to #10 because of your Berklee degree you'll still be waiting tables while paying back your student loan for the next 20 years! And, to be clear, I am not saying Berklee is not excellent. And I am not saying you should pursue a degree in something that is not your passion just because the job prospects are better. I am simply saying go into it with your eyes wide open and try not to fall for the marketing hype. Becoming rich and famous in music is about as likely as winning the lottery and a Berklee degree is not going to increase your odds very much. But maybe that Berklee degree will help you make a meager living while enjoying your passion. And if that is good enough then go for it!
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I have never really seen a discussion as moot as this one. If you have 33 large to spend on an ONLINE college degree program, to then be a music hobbyist like 99% of us here are, go for it. And if you are female, please consider this a marriage proposal if you have money to waste on something that is not likely to really increase your earning potential in music.
Through many of my posts, you ALL know by now that I am a HUGE fan of learning theory. But I have also always made it clear that knowing theory does not make you a good player. It allows you to understand what you are listening to at a higher level, but that does not translate to skills.
Look at this list of names.
Lionel Richie
Michael Jackson
All 4 Beatles
Dave Grohl
Slash
Eric Claptop
Elvis
Eddie Van Halen
Jimi Hendrix
And the list goes on. None of them can read music. I remember once I saw an interview with Dave Grohl. Somebody asked him about the chords for Evermore. His answer was "I can't tell you what they are. I can pick up a guitar and know where to put my fingers, but I don't know what they are." Van Halen, a classical pianist, learned all of that by ear. He can't read.
Fundamentals (theory) are a tool to help you analyze.
I can tell you in 10 minutes what is wrong with your golf swing, but I never broke par. (All time best of 2 over, 74.)
Some outstanding people have Berklee degrees.
Gary Burton, Jeff Lorber, Quincy Jones, Al DiMeola, Donald Fagan, Joe Zawinal, Branford Marsalis, John Petrucci, Ernie Watts.... and on and on forever.
Does anybody doubt that they would probably have succeeded without Berklee?
33 grand? To attend ONLINE college? I think not.
I am using the new 1040XTRAEZ form this year. It has just 2 lines.
1. How much did you make in 2023?
2. Send it to us.
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I’m not going to weigh in on whether their 33 large is worth it. I have found every online class that I have taken from Berklee to be enlightening for what it cost me which was nothing. This includes the Pattison songwriting course. If I recall correctly, it was advertised as being a portion of various courses. I still remember and employ techniques that I learned in that class when I write songs. The jazz improvisation course taught by Gary Burton kicked my rear end. I’m glad they have their stuff available for audit
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I’m not going to weigh in on whether their 33 large is worth it. I have found every online class that I have taken from Berklee to be enlightening for what it cost me which was nothing. This includes the Pattison songwriting course. If I recall correctly, it was advertised as being a portion of various courses. I still remember and employ techniques that I learned in that class when I write songs. The jazz improvisation course taught by Gary Burton kicked my rear end. I’m glad they have their stuff available for audit Ditto on both Pattison and Burton's free courses - I had the same experience. However, the performance courses for Chords and Scales have never been available for "audit" that I know of. These were tough courses with multiple weekly assignments which had to be performed, recorded and submitted for grading. More than a few of the students were well over their heads in keeping up. Me, I did OK, but no gold stars.
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Good luck. There are links above to both free and paid online courses. Also, try YouTube and various search terms like, "music theory", "mixing" and "audio production".
Band-in-a-Box also has many tools to help you with ear training, chords, progressions, song structure, sight reading and instrument practice.
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